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Posted by bionic mosquito on 06/01/11 02:25 PM
Ingo, one question mark per question will suffice. I get it.
"How can you overcome central control when local culture, will, norms and self-reliance is checked and subject to central control now."
Just because it is so in some places doesn't make it so everyplace. Just because it is so at a specific times doesn't make it so at all times.
How can you overcome central control? Central control cannot last; this has been proven countless times. The Soviet Union is gone, now made up of a dozen separate states. Czechoslovakia is gone, broke in two. Yugoslavia is gone, with a half-dozen states standing in its place.
There will be more. As Cat Writer suggests, the EU will not stand as currently configured, it will break. Iraq will break in three. Afghanistan never was one, and will not be anytime soon despite having a central government in name only. Look at the Caucasus, a cauldron of factions.
It is not so difficult to envision that this will be true for the US as well. Yes, the central government might remain in form, but the power will be removed once the checks bounce (literally or figuratively, it won't matter). People will look to local solutions, as the national ones will fail, as they most definitely will.
A few hundred cannot contain a few million or a few billion by any means - force or otherwise - if the protection racket no longer is functioning.
I have mentioned before Jacques Barzun "From Dawn to Decadence" and Martin Van Creveld "The Rise and Decline of the State." Neither could be described as a radical; both come to a similar conclusion from different approaches. The centralized and all-powerful state is coming to an end, and we are living it.
"Do you advocate violent overthrow of the controlling elite...???"
Violence only in self defense.
"If not, then why hasn't central control been eliminated already...???"
It will likely never be eliminated, but it can be greatly diminished, and certainly decentralized. It has been decentralized where the promises failed. It will be decentralized where promises are yet to fail but will fail, as they must.
Too many non-productive supported by too few productive, with the ratio getting worse (BTW, IMHO this is why they opened the door to China and India - try to suck in a couple billion productive people to change the math. It isn't working, but that is a different subject). This cannot continue. The use of force, a new currency, the UN, the ECB, the IMF, the elite - none of them can change the very basic laws of economics.
When it fails, we will see Human Action. In some places, the new boss might be just like the old boss. In other places, less control will be the rule. In any case, decentralization will offer people more choices.
"How can you overcome central control when local culture, will, norms and self-reliance is checked and subject to central control now."
Just because it is so in some places doesn't make it so everyplace. Just because it is so at a specific times doesn't make it so at all times.
How can you overcome central control? Central control cannot last; this has been proven countless times. The Soviet Union is gone, now made up of a dozen separate states. Czechoslovakia is gone, broke in two. Yugoslavia is gone, with a half-dozen states standing in its place.
There will be more. As Cat Writer suggests, the EU will not stand as currently configured, it will break. Iraq will break in three. Afghanistan never was one, and will not be anytime soon despite having a central government in name only. Look at the Caucasus, a cauldron of factions.
It is not so difficult to envision that this will be true for the US as well. Yes, the central government might remain in form, but the power will be removed once the checks bounce (literally or figuratively, it won't matter). People will look to local solutions, as the national ones will fail, as they most definitely will.
A few hundred cannot contain a few million or a few billion by any means - force or otherwise - if the protection racket no longer is functioning.
I have mentioned before Jacques Barzun "From Dawn to Decadence" and Martin Van Creveld "The Rise and Decline of the State." Neither could be described as a radical; both come to a similar conclusion from different approaches. The centralized and all-powerful state is coming to an end, and we are living it.
"Do you advocate violent overthrow of the controlling elite...???"
Violence only in self defense.
"If not, then why hasn't central control been eliminated already...???"
It will likely never be eliminated, but it can be greatly diminished, and certainly decentralized. It has been decentralized where the promises failed. It will be decentralized where promises are yet to fail but will fail, as they must.
Too many non-productive supported by too few productive, with the ratio getting worse (BTW, IMHO this is why they opened the door to China and India - try to suck in a couple billion productive people to change the math. It isn't working, but that is a different subject). This cannot continue. The use of force, a new currency, the UN, the ECB, the IMF, the elite - none of them can change the very basic laws of economics.
When it fails, we will see Human Action. In some places, the new boss might be just like the old boss. In other places, less control will be the rule. In any case, decentralization will offer people more choices.
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