These comments are taken from Jonathan Pageau’s December Q&A. The full video is here; the links below are time-stamped.
Question: What are the examples and your own thoughts on the possibility of physical violent counter-resistance response to the cancellation of the center or hierarchy itself? Does Christianity offer an argument for a violent response or is it a case of too much mental gymnastics to constitute a courageous physical defense?
I find myself amongst Christians who assume that there is no need for a physical reaction to evil, even if it is in their communities. They seem to take Jesus’s story and become absolute pacifists.
Pageau: I think it is possible for Christians to – in service of a higher purpose – to defend their home or their territory. So I believe in the Christian knight who fights for a higher king, someone who is above them, fights in the name of something above him, and then in service to those who are below who can’t defend themselves.
So far, so good.
What’s happening now is different. And what’s happening now looks way more like the story of the betrayal of Christ by Judas. From within the West – from within the Christian story – rose up a traitor who was an antichrist who then dislodged, deconstructed, and brought about the dying of the church.
This is a very interesting take, and there is no chance I would ever have thought of the comparison.
I don’t think in that case we should defend ourselves violently, in the same way that Christ didn’t. There is a mystery in dying – I don’t know what to tell you – there is a mystery in dying, there is a mystery in the martyr, and there is a mystery in what’s happening right now.
And the mystery in the martyr is the same mystery that we are seeing happen. So, as we watch Christianity wane, and as we watch it die, we have the responsibility to be seeds for the resurrection, rather than fight off…what are you going to fight off?
It’s all coming from the inside. Its like this rot that is kind of manifesting itself from within our country, from within our churches, from within our own traditions. And so, it’s not the same.
Who would we fight? Leadership of almost every institution is failing us – most importantly, as I have noted often, church leadership.
Through that, there are also attacks from the outside – which are happening, I have to admit that. But it’s mostly this kind of strange betrayal from the inside. So that’s how I see it. But I also have sympathy for someone who might disagree with me; I have sympathy for that as well.
Later, from Pageau:
I want to wish you all a Happy New Year. I know that’s strange to say with 2021 coming.
The world is changing, I think most people can feel it. Religion is coming back; the world is going to be enchanted whether we want it or not and that’s for all the good and all the bad, the light and the dark. We are going to see things in the next few years which are going to be unthinkable even now.
You might think, “that’s an easy prediction, given the last ten months.” But I recall that before 2020, Pageau knew that the year was going to be one like no other for us.
Things are going to get loopy and crazy and we are going to see things that we haven’t seen in thousands of years are going to start to manifest themselves.
I don’t know about the “thousands of years” part. Going back to the French Revolution is frightful enough.
Hopefully we will have enough people with enough sense to start to bring things to light. …So, get ready, because none of this is over; it’s just starting.
Christ is born, so glorify Him.