Romans 1: 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
To include those who practice violence, those who are proud, those who boast, and those who invent evil things.
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
I return to the story of Trump’s first few weeks in office. Really an unbelievable start, with a major exception being the black mark of openly espousing genocide and forced displacement. But as Trump has done so often – even beginning eight years ago in his first run – the only difference between him and most politicians is that he says the quiet part out loud.
What has been interesting is to see the violent reaction by many to the corruption being exposed by Musk and his team. Yes, we knew it was there, but now it comes with names, agencies, and numbers. And, with such light shed on it, the supporters and perpetrators are doubling down on their support.
Which got me to consider the following:
John 3: 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
How evil and depraved must you be that when your deeds come to light you not only don’t back down, you double-down? Everyone practicing this evil being exposed is bathing in the light of that evil being exposed.
But, for them, is it evil?
From Thomas Aquinas: “For the object of the will is the end and the good.”
…it appears that Aquinas is mistaken when he says that the ends for the sake of which we act are good.
I struggled with just that when I first began studying Thomas.
Clearly, many things we pursue in life are not good. Aquinas does not deny this. He agrees that cognitive errors and excessive passion can distort our moral views and, in turn, incline us to choose the wrong things.
Distorted moral views…this explains it.
Aquinas’s point, however, is that our actions are done for the sake of what we believe (rightly or wrongly) to be good. Whether the ends we pursue are in fact good is a separate question… (Italics in original)
Those who object to what is being discovered when put under light believe what they are doing is good. They find evil good, and good evil.
Isaiah 5: 20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Returning to Romans 1:
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Reading those quotes from Aquinas remind me of Mises' praxeology. Humans act in order to improve their lives, thinking that the actions taken will in fact be better. Our actions don't always make our life better. Part of sin is not even knowing how (or being unwilling to) to judge right from wrong. The demonic influences we see all around our culture today take some part in deceiving sinners (and us sometimes). The Bible talks about unbelievers deceiving and being deceived.
ReplyDeleteMy wife uncovered more evidence of the spiritual attacks people suffered because of covid or at the same time as covid. She works sometimes to help families clean out things after someone dies. One lady left a journal where she says that during (because of?) covid she was going to start studying witchcraft and be the best little witch she could be. There books and implements she had to go through too. Lots of ashes, grasses, hair samples, etc. Weird stuff. Demons are real folks.
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Yes. What is the phrase that Mises uses? Rational choice? Rational action? Something like that. And his critics would say that 'not all human action is rational therefore Mises' theory doesn't work bla bla bla.' But Mises wasn't saying that all people act correctly to obtain the ends they desire, only that they act purposefully towards a specific end. The formula of action they choose may be incorrect, but it is still rational, because they are purposefully choosing means to accomplish a desired goal. That is rational behavior. It makes sense to them.
DeleteThat's nuts about the witchcraft stuff. There certainly are demons acting in the world, and exorcisms are real too. If it was happening during the times of Jesus and his Apostles on Earth, then you can bet it's happening now too.
Great to see ATL commenting! More!
DeleteYes, great always to see ATL here and at the other blog.
Delete"...The formula of action they choose may be incorrect..."
Also, the ends they may choose we know are not always "good," in the proper understanding of "good."
But both the means and the end are deemed "good" by the actor.
"32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."
ReplyDeleteMore than once, I've heard the argument that capital punishment is justified based on this very verse. Romans 1:32 says that those who practice such things, most especially homosexuals and lesbians (see vs. 26-27), ought to be executed. Yet, the advocates of this position seem to overlook the verses following (29-31), which are also included.
How many of us have been malicious? Undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving? Proud, boastful, or violent? Yes, even people who are disobedient to parents deserve the death penalty. Can I put my hand down now?
"I see that hand. You can put it down now."
Perhaps this is the real reason why, when altar calls are given in so many Protestant churches, the congregation is instructed to "close their eyes, no one looking around", ostensibly so as not to cause embarrassment or hesitation on the part of those who desperately want to be saved. Truth be told, whenever any such invitation is given, the show of hands should be unanimous, since "All have sinned."
We tend to think that "we" would not act in that way, as if, in practicing the Christian lifestyle for years and decades we gain immunity, but everyone is susceptible and often guilty. Pride is listed in v. 30, squeezed in between "violent" and "boasters". Oooh! That makes me squirm, but I can suppress the conviction (feeling) if I ignore it for just a minute or two.
I am guilty as charged. I am deserving of death. I will die. As will everyone. The best thing to do is admit it and make corrections in the course of life.
Roger, it is good you call out the additional verses.
DeleteFirst of all, I think of the death we deserve as the death received by Adam. He didn't physically die at the moment of eating, but he did die. Just as those who practice those things in Romans are dead - and WE deserve it.
Second, I think of the entire list and its relation to "death" within the framework of repentance. Without repentance, there is no justification, sanctification - there is no salvation.
Without repentance, we are deserving of death. Yes, we will continue to sin, but we are now in a state of cooperation with and submission to God. Death holds no more purchase on us even though we remain, in relation to sin, imperfect.
I'm absolutely loving the carnage the DOGE is creating. Like you, I'm not happy about Trump's Gaza plan, or his Canada plan for that matter, but I knew he'd be bad on the Israel question. What do you think about his White House Faith Office leadership choice? Lol
ReplyDeleteChuck Baldwin just wrote about this choice. I cannot disagree.
DeleteHow many Christians are almost worshiping Trump as a savior. To the extent they do this, does he not become just another antichrist?