Romans
3: 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there
is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together
become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”
I guess I could end this post here, as the hurdle is set
impossibly high to find moral people with which to do business.
Snippets From a Dialogue
Rien:
…just create a virtual libertarian paradise, ruled by NAP, where libertarians
will only trade with fellow libertarians….I am assuming that doing business
with people that share our morals is better than doing business with people
that do not share our morals. Why would
you even want to do business with immoral people?
Nick Badalamenti: …I'll say that
there are many subjective standards by which people might feel on another are
"immoral".
Rien: …maybe when B.M. spends a
post on it we get an opportunity to discuss it.
OK, let’s give it a go.
Before We Get Started
In Rien’s opening statement (as I have provided above) are a
few items worth pulling apart and examining – this even before getting at the
topic that makes for the title of this post.
Perhaps most striking: just because someone fancies himself a
libertarian does not necessarily suggest he is moral in another libertarian’s
eyes.
For example, libertarians have different opinions on the
application of the NAP. Begin with the
minarchist / anarchist view – anarchists might suggest that the minarchist is
advocating immoral behavior.
Then there is the undefendable that is defended by
libertarian law. Many of these
undefendable activities are at the same time not inconsistent with the NAP and also
considered by many to be immoral practices.
More significant, perhaps: how about abortion or open
borders? There are libertarians on each
side of these issues that, to a small or great degree, consider libertarians on
the other side of the issue to be immoral.
What I am getting at: many libertarians have more in common morally with non-libertarians than they
do with each other – libertarians are divided morally almost as much as is the general population.
Libertarianism’s
Amorality
But, now, let’s take a step back and consider areas where it
would seem all libertarians who consistently apply the NAP should agree. What does the
non-aggression principle suggest about doing business with immoral people? (Hint: pretty much nothing.)
Gary Galles offers Amoral markets versus immoral coercion. The title itself is suggestive of both the
libertarian and (truly) free market reality.
Much of the post is offering cites from Leonard Read.
Summarizing Read, Galles offers:
…Read showed that liberty’s failure
to gain more adherents than utopian statism can be, in part, traced to the fact
that it is the ends envisioned, rather than the means involved, that often
motivate people. And since unlike utopian visions, freedom, including free
markets — an “amoral servant” — cannot be proven to have no objectionable
results to anyone, liberty can be saddled with an inspirational deficit.
The market is amoral; it provides a mechanism for man to
express his desires – moral or otherwise.
Citing Read:
[But] it is necessary to recognize
the limitations of the free market. The market is a mechanism, and thus it is
wholly lacking in moral and spiritual suasion…it embodies no coercive force
whatsoever.
The market is but a response to — a
mirror of — our desires.
And Read quoting W.H. Pitt:
“[T]he market, with its function
for the economizing of time and effort, is servant alike to the good, the
compassionate, and the perceptive as well as to the evil, the inconsiderate,
and the oblivious.”
You get the idea.
Markets, when viewed through a libertarian lens, provide almost no moral guidance.
I Said “Almost”
Richard W. Wilke offers An
Appropriate Ethical Model for Business and a Critique of Milton Friedman’s
Thesis (PDF). To summarize: lobbying the government for
favors is unethical. I think most
libertarians would agree with this – I certainly do. I do find a difference in lobbying the
government to get it to stay out of markets – for example, lobbying against
minimum wage laws, rent control, additional regulations, etc.
But lobbying for favors?
Unethical by libertarian standards.
Yet…it seems virtually impossible to survive in the modern world without
doing business with companies (or trade / business associations) that lobby the
government for favors – given that this would include almost every company and
every industry. Is there a way to slice
this population into different segments?
I think so, but I am now introducing my morality and not necessarily a
thin libertarian morality.
I find a subset of such businesses to be a pretty easy
call. Not every underlying business of such
“lobbying” companies is in itself a violation of the NAP. For example, automakers lobby for certain
inducements, yet producing and selling an automobile is not, in and of itself,
an NAP violation.
What of banks? Of
course, the lobbying by firms in this industry is rampant; I also find the
entire business model corrupt, as it relies on both monopoly protection and
inflation that steals from the common man.
Yet…I find no way to live in anything approaching a modern economy
without utilizing the services of a modern bank.
Now, for an example that I used to think was simple and
obvious: defense contractors, merchants of death. Of course, most of us are not in the market
to buy their products; however, we do have a choice about investing, or not, in
their business. I always thought the
answer was cut and dry for a libertarian: investing in and profiting from such
a business is a clear violation of the non-aggression principle.
Yet Richard
Maybury advocates just such investments.
It is really beyond me based solely on ethics that can be deduced from libertarianism.
I have now exhausted an analysis of this topic from the
basis of the non-aggression principle. I
know it leaves one wanting more, but the NAP is equipped for no more. Yet this does not come close to addressing
the issue fully: doing business with immoral people.
One Man’s Moral is
Another Man’s Hell
What is moral? The
word “moral” derives from “custom.” But
custom changes – sometimes organically and sometimes by external force. Custom is different in different places and
different times. Custom in the west has
been destroyed so meaningfully that the term is almost irrelevant.
So on what basis are we to define “moral”? Way above my pay grade. I appreciate the best of western civilization
and will gladly discard the worst. But
what is the “best,” and what is the “worst”?
I feel like a hamster on a wheel.
Conclusion
Coming to Rien’s main point, again Galles citing Read:
Instead of cursing evil, stay out
of the market for it; the evil will cease to the extent we cease patronizing
it. Trying to rid ourselves of trash by
running to government for morality laws is like trying to minimize the effects
of inflation by wage, price, and other controls. Both destroy the market, that
is, the reflection of ourselves…attempts not to see ourselves as we are…
Read seems to suggest that it is the running to government
that is evil. Yet, defining evil is done
within each one of us; of course, we are influenced by the definition of
others, of society, of religion. Even if
we are using the same words to define evil, we each might have different
definitions in mind for these words. Ultimately,
we each have our own picture in mind when considering terms like “evil” or “moral.”
Libertarians will be partially influenced in creating their
definition by the non-aggression principle; the general population will be partially
influenced in creating their definition by the state (along with the controlled
schools and media) – the state that has replaced religion as the moral guide.
But, as I have written too often, regarding “moral,” liberal
libertarians will have more in common with the broader left than they will with
conservative libertarians just as conservative libertarians will have more in
common with the broader right than they will with liberal libertarians.
In other words, getting libertarians to coalesce around a
common idea of moral and then acting on this is almost as hopeless as getting
the general population to agree to a common idea of moral and acting on this.
"There are libertarians on each side of these issues that, to a small or great degree, consider libertarians on the other side of the issue to be immoral."
ReplyDeleteYes, and often times each side will claim their interpretation of the NAP- in essence trying to claim the "moral" high ground. (I put "moral" in quotes because of it's subjectivity-I don't mean to demean the idea of morality in general or question it's existence)
"In other words, getting libertarians to coalesce around a common idea of moral and then acting on this is almost as hopeless as getting the general population to agree to a common idea of moral and acting on this."
Yes. The only answer I see to this is decentralization and freedom of association/disassociation.(smaller, mostly like minded communities that basically leave other communities alone-maybe with the exception of trade)
Hmm, I cannot say that I am very happy with this. It feels as if something is "off".
ReplyDeleteBtw in this piece you seem to conclude that this question is indeed terra incognita. But you do not evaluate pro and con, which is a question I particularly like to see answered ;-)
I see two aspect to this question: morality and evangelizing.
Morally I tend to keep to the approach I already mentioned in the previous thread: deputizing is possible, but the moral end-responsibility stays with the highest level. So if we want to behave as moral as possible, we have no other alternative than to evaluate the hierarchy below us: i.e. the entire supply chain up to the point of transaction.
Evangelizing: I am assuming that most or all NAP-ers want to see a world where NAP is the common denominator. Flavour be ***, as long as it is NAP, its fine by me.
So far the evangelizing has failed "bigly". It does not work at all. As a percentage I would bet that NAP-ers have lost ground year after year.
(Though the advent of the internet may have caused a small uptick in some years round 2000-2010) Reasoning clearly does not work.
The only alternative I see is to become an example. Which means the NAP-ers should become a very wealthy group.
How that can be achieved is not too difficult, there are many examples out there. For example the Jews. But the deep state is another one. Alumni from universities used to be there too, but they have been watered down considerably. The trick to becoming an influential group is in-grouping.
Which for NAP-ers means doing business with other NAP-ers wherever possible. Even if that means higher prices. In-grouping minimizes outflow, and that is the best way to 'get rich' __as a group__!!
As the group gets richer, more people will want to join, and more people will find reasons to accept NAP as a guiding principle. After all, rationalizing works better than convincing.
Anyway, those seem to be my two main points that would support trying to deal with NAP-ers as much as possible.
I wasn't very happy with it either, because in the end it seems to me most libertarians value things higher than they value the NAP. Our "in-group preference" (as you put it) happens to be with other groups.
DeleteI find no reason to prioritize my trade with pro-life libertarians or libertarians who practice the arts of every chapter in "Defending the Undefendible."
I think that in our subconsciousness we know that in restricting transactions to moral people only we will out-group ourselves. And nobody really wants that. We need the group, even while virtue signalling to ourself how much better we are, because ... NAP.
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