My thoughts on recent comments to this post:
UnhappyConservative April 1, 2016 at 8:51 PM
…the point remains valid that there is such a thing as group interests…
Please show where I have written otherwise. Actually, don’t bother; I know what you will point to.
Why do you infer from this that I do not believe that two or more people – even possibly (or due to) sharing some national or religious commonality – will get together to plan some deed (whether for good or evil)?
…whether or not you would like to admit that into your ultra-liberal framework.
I have been called many things, never ultra-liberal. What do you mean, precisely, by this term? Once you have precisely defined the term, please point to specifically what I have written that would cause you to apply this label to me.
No Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were not Jews, but Marx was…
Hitler, Stalin, Mao: 100 million or more dead. Marx: from what I can tell, zero. But unless you can show me at least ten million for Marx as leader of an army (the minimum to get a seat at the table with these high rollers), I think the score is quite settled on this point. Anyway, Engels – a non-Jewish German from all evidence – seems to be at least equal to if not the motive force behind Marx.
Regarding Marx’s essay, On the Jewish Question:
The second part of Marx's essay is frequently cited as proof of Marx' antisemitism:
"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.
Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.
What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.
In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism."
This sure doesn’t sound like a full-on advocacy for Jews taking over and controlling the world. Actually, those who scream “it’s the Jews” at every turn sound a lot like Marx (although some apparently disagree that this writing should be interpreted as anti-Semitic).
Back to Unhappy:
…and the majority of socialist revolutionaries in Germany were [Jews], which is one of the main reasons Hitler saw the Jews as an enemy people.
Those all-powerful Jews – every single Jew in the world – making sure Hitler got in power in order to destroy the Jews of Central Europe. Imagine, six-million (or whatever number you care to insert) Jews deciding that self-sacrifice was the right thing to do for the global Jewish conspiracy – the conspiracy that included every single Jew in Europe and the rest of the world.
In fact, it was the communists of Germany that pushed Hitler over the top in the elections. Think about this: communists (all the fault of the Jews) empowering Hitler (all the fault of the Jews) to murder millions of Jews (all the fault of the Jews). My head is spinning.
And those all-powerful Jews – because, as you know, the Jews controlled the White House and 10 Downing Street – made sure that neither Roosevelt or Churchill would allow mass immigration to save themselves from disaster. An example of omnipotent Jews sacrificing themselves for the sake of…what?
Also Jews played a major role in Soviet communism in which some estimates put the NKVD at 80% Jewish…
No doubt. Yet Stalin took care of that problem pretty early on. Those all-powerful Jews, one more example of self-sacrifice even in the face of having some mystical, evil spell over the rest of humanity.
As for naming names…The Frankfurt School.
Yes, the Frankfurt School; founded in 1923. Many Jews. The west already committed suicide by then via the Great War without their help. The west already created the conditions for World War Two by then without their help. To my knowledge (and I didn’t check every single name that you offered), not one death is directly attributed to any of the names you have listed.
Their ideas? Rather unsavory. Yet did Hitler – fighting to death against communism (and certainly so-called cultural Marxism) – ascribe to such notions? Members of the Frankfurt School fled Germany when Hitler came to power – do we blame all Jews for Hitler? Mao? To my knowledge was not a subscriber to their daily email list. Stalin was already pretty bad before 1923; anyway, he subsequently got rid of his Jews.
The point is…what is your position on organized Jewish power (Zionism and Jewish Marxist Intellectual Cabals)?
Regarding the two examples of organized Jewish power that you offer, overall a negative contribution to the peace of the world. Miserable to the Palestinians both during the Mandate and since. Terribly bad ideology.
But not the worst bunch on earth. And certainly not the worst trigger-pullers. Those who would pull the trigger will latch on any excuse to do so. Without Marx or the Frankfurt School they would have found another excuse in order to do their evil – in fact, they did.
Matt@Occidentalism.org April 1, 2016 at 10:26 PM
Israel gets the bulk of the direct money and loans that are later written off so that doesn't show up as direct assistance. Egypt gets the next largest grant of money entirely to keep Egypt and Israel on good terms, so you can chalk that up for Israel. Next largest after that is the Kingdom of Jordan and the occupied West Bank/Gaza. Chalk them up as a subsidy for Israel too.
I am aware of the overly-large subsidies to Israel. I am bombarded with this daily in the presidential campaigns.
When you include various wars that don't really make sense unless you view them as also taking place on behalf of Israel, then the costs both financial and human are incalculable.
I hold to a different theory about the wars that don’t make sense. Perhaps you might consider the state of Israel a pawn instead of king. After all, Israel doesn’t explain Vietnam, Korea, the pivot to Asia, NATO moving into Eastern Europe and the Baltics, etc. – you know, the various wars that have nothing to do with the state of Israel. Israel does make a convenient excuse for the United States to involves itself in wars of the Middle East…again I ask, who is using whom?
…there seems to be a few common themes shared by the thousands of Jewish organizations. Open borders. Anti-white activism. Taxpayer support for Israel.
I don’t know about “the thousands.” Whatever the number, it is not terribly important. There are other Jewish organizations that support different agendas. But these “common themes” are shared by even more non-Jewish organizations. What shall we make of this?
Who are the Jewish organizations lobbying? WASPs. Who passes the legislation? WASPs. Who pulls the trigger? WASPs. What Sunday churchgoers vociferously call for all-things Israel? WASPs. Is it that old black magic that has cast its spell? Now go do... that voodoo... that YOU do... SO WELL...! Is this the argument?
Children often ask their parents to do stupid things. They question is…who is deciding? Who is doing the doing? It is, for the most part, WASPS (broadly speaking).
Joe Sobran…made a great point about Jewish power in the media…
Individuals who are Jewish hold power in the media. I have no reason to disagree.
I think that the Jewish influence on US politics on open borders, anti-white activism, and taxpayer support for Israel is real…
Just as it is for “thousands” of non-Jewish organizations.
Nothing lasts forever. The internet is breaking down the power of the gatekeepers.
There are infinitely more peaceful and societally beneficial Jews than there are the opposite. There are many harmful and evil individuals and organizations that are not Jewish. For these reasons (among others) I insist on dealing with specific individuals and specific organizations.
I do not discount the power and influence of individual Jews and Jewish organizations. But I also do not discount the power and influence of non-Jews and non-Jewish organizations. And I suggest the latter are and have been more powerful and devastating to the global scene.
I further suggest that the pawns and kings are exactly opposite of those suggested by those who suggest that the State of Israel somehow rules the Anglo power.
Humans act; of course, almost daily humans act in concert with other humans. This can be for good or for evil.
This also cannot be used as a crutch to be lazy regarding the identification of the criminals.