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Sunday, June 14, 2026

An Unfortunate Development

 

There are a handful of podcasts / YouTube channels that I listen to or watch by individuals who advocate for some aspect of the Christian life.  I tend to stay away from those channels that are overly polemical, and especially do not appreciate the impugning of the character of other Christians of good faith.

So, I really don’t like seeing what has happened and is happening between Gavin Ortlund and Jonathan Pageau on the topic of who can be saved.  I have long valued the work of each of these men – obviously different in doctrinal and theological beliefs and practices, yet both men dedicated to spreading a Christian message as they each see it.  Both also dedicated to advocating for their respective traditions.

Pageau recently put out what was at the same time one of his best and one of his worst videos.  Best, because he spoke clearly about what he sees as theologically beautiful in the Eastern Orthodox tradition, and worst because he openly impugned Ortlund’s character and motives regarding Ortulnd’s understanding of the Eastern Orthodox answer to this question of who can be saved. 

Pageau’s video did bring the two together to discuss the aforementioned topic: who can be saved (available on each of their channels).  I wanted to see if they could have a good conversation on their agreements and disagreements, so I began to watch it. 

I was only able to watch about half of it.  Frankly, Pageau made it more difficult to watch – at least for me (and this having nothing to do with theological matters). 

I really have no conclusion, other than I find it unfortunate – even a little sad.

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