tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post7755776877247141046..comments2024-03-28T09:59:13.754-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Philosophers and Ploughmen bionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30738808755383290092020-11-13T09:34:25.534-08:002020-11-13T09:34:25.534-08:00Thank you for the clarification sir, there is no n...Thank you for the clarification sir, there is no need to imply/assume confusion on my part about this either though. This is an understandably common reaction though, say for when women so often say to men "how you say it matters", and men emotionally tend to project in one way or another "stop maligning my intentions".<br /><br />My point is that Beautiful manners demands more than clarity. What is implied in how words are expressed are not external to how well not just the words are received by the other, but how well one's own willful blindnesses and unwilllingness to entertain deep challenges that may be present can be moved past.<br /><br />From a Menger-line point of view, to tie this back to the topic, it's good for us to remember that his thought arose as an objection to German historicism. Theory/Metaphysics must come first, if new legitimate understanding of the "objective facts" is to be arrived at. Attempts to understand a different way of seeing history without entertaining the different theory/metaphysic are pointless, are bound to lead to confusion. Once that good hospitality is completed however, then assessment of which vision has more unity can be performed, but only then. This kind of "hospitality based unity test" is even more important when it comes to the area of ethics I would say. It does require a very strong "marriage" between the female and male aspects of this though, so in the absence of that to expect as normal confusion and divisiveness in discussion.australia-for-ron-paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10706579669059351144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-80327082256826327982020-10-28T17:40:33.860-07:002020-10-28T17:40:33.860-07:00"...implies that Anonymous is confused and si..."...implies that Anonymous is confused and simply has no point?"<br /><br />Or that I do not understand his point. You need not confuse my words from their direct meaning. I have admitted more than once at this site when and where a subject is beyond my grasp.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-40290870330642432852020-10-28T14:39:54.646-07:002020-10-28T14:39:54.646-07:00Dear Bionic,
As a matter of etiquette and Beautif...Dear Bionic,<br /><br />As a matter of etiquette and Beautiful manners, may I suggest that whatever the intention, that:<br /><br />"Yes, I Have addressed this in my original post via a link. So I do not understand your point"<br /><br />...implies that Anonymous is confused and simply has no point?<br /><br />Yes, this is possible. However such implication is not useful for crossing divides of understanding, the limiting crux possibly being on either or both sides.<br /><br />Faithfully,<br />Lionelaustralia-for-ron-paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10706579669059351144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-60751545499994302372020-10-28T14:19:10.793-07:002020-10-28T14:19:10.793-07:00At the danger of being more confusing for anyone s...At the danger of being more confusing for anyone stuck in certain places that prevent deeper understanding, here's another angle on Jonathan Pageau's statement:<br /><br /><br />"Holism remembers that we are always inside and part of the whole pattern we seek to understand. Expressible in system and useful to articulate with definitions, it is not itself a system and resists the framework that distances by demanding definitions, because every part is itself a whole that resonates with all others.<br /><br />Speaking of it thus calls for word, action and conduct consistent with the unity that is pointed towards by all the laws and poetry of nature, to allow the unity and wholeness of the individual to fully manifest. So to be holistic is to be natural, and to be natural is to be principled, spontaneous, integrated and beautiful in hospitality and manner."australia-for-ron-paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10706579669059351144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-50675322826695655852020-10-15T14:16:16.837-07:002020-10-15T14:16:16.837-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-90026867523666349612020-10-15T12:33:15.619-07:002020-10-15T12:33:15.619-07:00It's enough. I think it's time to end this...It's enough. I think it's time to end this conversation. You are one person offering one person's opinion.<br /><br />Scriptural understanding isn't so simple as "see, I have this verse." Even the strongest blasphemers can find individual verses to support their views.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-76808396004639986232020-10-15T12:05:38.262-07:002020-10-15T12:05:38.262-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-80973077863080430002020-10-15T08:54:06.858-07:002020-10-15T08:54:06.858-07:00Yet you continue to ignore reasonable inquiries.Yet you continue to ignore reasonable inquiries.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-36105562518660856922020-10-15T05:56:34.404-07:002020-10-15T05:56:34.404-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-23059102313124215152020-10-14T22:26:56.191-07:002020-10-14T22:26:56.191-07:00roc (to avoid confusion): thank you for the shout ...roc (to avoid confusion): thank you for the shout out on BU2B.<br /><br />As to the rest: I think it is the height of arrogance to shrug off what has been passed to us through 2000 years of scholarship and tradition. Do you want to discount the idea that man - all men and all women - are made in the image of God? If you don't have a simple retort, start a blog site and start explaining.<br /><br />Do you want to ignore that Peter and Paul had a disagreement? I don't even know what to do with this.<br /><br />And you are unable to provide answers to Roger's request: "Whatever example I might offer would be based upon God's Word as I am able to access it."<br /><br />Well, who says that the way in which you are able to access it has any more validity than anyone else commenting at this site.<br /><br />You write as if there is one infallible truth (there is), and that all who have been given the spirit know this truth perfectly (nonsense, at least for us humans that believe we have been so blessed).<br /><br />Nonsense. I have no better word. Peter, preaching just after the Holy Spirit came to him, would agree.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-78435234447038176232020-10-14T16:27:25.782-07:002020-10-14T16:27:25.782-07:00Roger,
I have to admit one mistake. There are no...Roger, <br /><br />I have to admit one mistake. There are not 7.5 billion people on Earth right now. There are actually more than 7.8 billion. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/<br /><br />This is a fact. <br /><br />It is also a fact that no two individuals are exactly alike. Even identical twins have differences. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110328151740.htm <br /><br />It is also my belief that because of our differences, no two people are going to hear the Spirit in exactly the same way every time. I am quite certain about this and, in fact, I am willing to declare this as fact. <br /><br />Like it or not, these are the facts and you can argue or disagree all day long, but it won't change anything.<br /><br />Anything else? Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156823478509665137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-67422907941481385682020-10-14T11:40:48.990-07:002020-10-14T11:40:48.990-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-77980773832457209162020-10-14T10:53:50.025-07:002020-10-14T10:53:50.025-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-58179031273218811502020-10-13T18:45:38.432-07:002020-10-13T18:45:38.432-07:00There is one Spirit of God. This I believe to be t...There is one Spirit of God. This I believe to be true. There are also 7.5 billion people on this earth who are created in the Spirit and Image of God, every one of them different. There are not, never have been, and never will be two people who hear the Spirit of God and come to the same understanding every time. There are, have always been, and always will be disagreement about what the Spirit is saying and what that Word means. <br /><br />God understands Himself fully and with perfect clarity and objectivity. We understand God (and ourselves) somewhat less fully, quite subjectively, and, as the Apostle Paul said, "...through a glass darkly." Some of us have better vision than others, but no one has ever arrived at or even come close to perfect understanding. <br /><br />This fact should instill humility in us. Too often, though, it breeds arrogance. We tend to judge others based on what we think we know and this judgement is a major cause of the trouble between us. We can and should judge the actions of people towards others, but we cannot and never should make a judgement about their heart condition. God reserves that prerogative to Himself. <br /><br />"My problem seems to come when I find people who claim to know the meaning of God's word when that meaning is based on something that is, in truth, not God's word." <br /><br />Roger, I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Can you give us a 'for instance', an example? <br /><br />Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156823478509665137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-56621721684209634272020-10-13T14:55:40.329-07:002020-10-13T14:55:40.329-07:00For what it's worth, I will without hesitation...For what it's worth, I will without hesitation vouch for Bionic Mosquito's sincerity in his search for truth. I've watched his positions on matters of liberty develop for several years as he has been led by what seems irrefutably true. Most of the truths he arrives at are 'hard truths', and this is another of my barometers. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is (for instance: "The NAP is all you need." Nope. There's so much more.).<br /><br />My only exception to this last test is the promise of God. It sounds too good to be true, but it fulfills all my other truth tests, and it requires in addition the virtue of humility. It takes a childlike faith to believe in a Heavenly Father, but I choose to do it anyway.A Texas Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02980539931923054404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-88642629941332909282020-10-13T14:53:23.192-07:002020-10-13T14:53:23.192-07:00Roger,
"If He gives me His spirit in order f...Roger,<br /><br />"If He gives me His spirit in order for me to be able to hear His voice and understand His words, I don't believe I will be confused. Am I wrong here?"<br /><br />But how do you know you're listening to the Spirit of God and not a different spirit? I'm asking because I don't know, but here is my strategy:<br /><br />1) The truth must be internally consistent (like a story with a plot that makes sense). <br /><br />2) The truth is always coherent with other external truths (timeless Divine revelation fits with disciplined reason, ancient or modern).<br /><br />3) Truth in ethical matters resonates with what we know in our hearts to be good (we have a natural aversion to what is wrong).<br /><br />4) The truth regarding our nature and our existence in the world is universal and immutable ("and there is no new thing under the sun" -Ecc 1:9).<br /><br />5) The truth regarding our proper course of action is to be found within the confines of the teachings of Jesus, His Apostles, and the timeless virtues of temperance, fortitude, justice, wisdom, faith, hope, and charity.<br /><br />6) The truth bears fruit in the real world, and there should be a historical record of it to examine (as Christianity fades among the citizenry, the State ascends and vice versa).<br /><br />"He is also able to preserve His message in it's most perfect and important form."<br /><br />He is able, but is this what He actually did? One problem I have struggled with in my study of the Bible is that God never wrote His words or His laws down with His own hands. Jesus never, after delivering a parable, said, "write that down." He let His words be filtered through the hands of men in their own good time. <br /><br />Now, He could have guided the authors of the Gospels and the Epistles or the prophets of the Old Testament so that each word was absolutely perfect, but that doesn't seem to be His way; He gave us free will after all. If we were all made perfect, it'd be quite a boring experiment (life without conflict and suffering is life without meaning). <br /><br />The Bible was written and compiled by men and is therefore subject to the same fallibility that corrupts everything else man touches. Does this mean I regard the Bible as a book of lies? Of course not. I am a Christian, and I regard the Bible as the best source of truth we have. And I don't discount the words of those who came after the time of Jesus who spent their lives thinking about what it means to be a Christian either. I revere (not worship) the Saints and others of great wisdom. There is undoubtedly much truth in them as well (Athanasius, Augustine, Aquinas, C.S. Lewis, etc.).<br /><br />But clearly, we were made imperfect for a reason, and God may have had reason to make our Book imperfect as well.A Texas Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02980539931923054404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-49295248910630421562020-10-13T11:46:08.804-07:002020-10-13T11:46:08.804-07:00Roger, I think the difficulty or issue is that we ...Roger, I think the difficulty or issue is that we are still human vessels. We can be confused, we can be led astray; also, none of us should feel completely certain in our understanding. There is no doubt, I feel it safe to say, that both Peter and Paul had the Spirit of God, yet the two of them tangled.<br /><br />We take wisdom in counsel. As to my sincerity and honesty, I guess each can judge. I am doing my best, and readily admit my shortcomings or lack of understanding. I have learned a great deal from those who comment here, and my views have evolved because of this. <br /><br />I have been writing for ten years with no advertising and no outside income supporting this effort. Believe me, if someone was paying me to deceive, he would not be happy with my meager success regarding page views or followers.<br /><br />Do I have concern about wolves in sheep's clothing here? If one comments in a respectful manner, I try to weigh it against my understanding and the feedback from others. I don't know what else to do.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-57425414005678664032020-10-13T07:55:52.186-07:002020-10-13T07:55:52.186-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-6257359786121101842020-10-08T09:32:33.297-07:002020-10-08T09:32:33.297-07:00"What if instead above all it may be a call t..."What if instead above all it may be a call to be more consistent with Christ's message of Love and understanding of Other"<br /><br />Yes, I Have addressed this in my original post via a link. So I do not understand your point.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-32508589050287385802020-10-08T09:26:59.305-07:002020-10-08T09:26:59.305-07:00Roger, are we not to discuss in order to try to un...Roger, are we not to discuss in order to try to understand, to teach, to come to some agreement? If it all is as simple as revelation to the elect, why bother getting in God's way? Why bother with anything?<br /><br />Men for more learned than I am have been struggling with understanding for 2000 years. Is it a waste of time?<br /><br />Am I missing your point?bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-6241218208272443422020-10-07T11:55:50.009-07:002020-10-07T11:55:50.009-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-17242177203019759682020-10-06T19:35:05.960-07:002020-10-06T19:35:05.960-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10010242984451290011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-60609111903560602322020-10-03T11:39:37.108-07:002020-10-03T11:39:37.108-07:00Agreed. So the questions becomes, what are the bl...Agreed. So the questions becomes, what are the blinders in place that want to come to the certain (non investigative, doubling down) conclusion that is what is being expressed here? <br /><br />What if instead above all it may be a call to be more consistent with Christ's message of Love and understanding of Other, in order to defeat the arrogance, not that objective ethics exists, but that the true ethically objective view happens to be one's own?<br /><br />As JBP says about the Right and the Left, conversation and respectful investigation between those of different constitutional biases is essential for a working community. Community as echo chamber of people that share your bias certainly looks and feels like objectivity, and is an understandable situation when all sides cling on to that feeling of being on the side of ethical objectivity, for whatever reason of internal fragility. I mean clearly that's what the mass of BLM believes too.<br /><br />Such fragility is not the way, let's call it, the objective reality of Faith instantiates in an individual or community.<br /><br />Let's none of us underestimate how radical Christ's message still is, especially clear in the Sermon on the Mount. To turn the other cheek properly, is so much more than to physical injury, maybe it's actually much harder to do for the verbal and emotional. Maybe it's actually impossible for us human creatures... but for God's Mercy and Guidance, in living Christ's example.<br /><br />God Bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-55954624329718123962020-10-03T11:28:45.752-07:002020-10-03T11:28:45.752-07:00“There is a lot of contrast between some of the co...“There is a lot of contrast between some of the comments above.”<br /><br />You can say that again. Thanks for the comment and grounding back into scripture.<br /><br />A recently posted (not necessarily recent) talk from Rupert Sheldrake might offer a way to “shake it off” and re-focus/clarify some of the “enlightenment”/cultural differences. <br /><br />Angels: A talk with Father Bede Griffiths<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedOJopxbLoNatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-22544559825338191762020-10-02T11:53:41.148-07:002020-10-02T11:53:41.148-07:00Nat, it is a worthwhile talk. Thank you for shari...Nat, it is a worthwhile talk. Thank you for sharing it.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.com