tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post6084686010970541085..comments2024-03-22T17:43:18.211-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: No True Scotsmanbionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-23619380954660368832017-05-11T11:48:41.875-07:002017-05-11T11:48:41.875-07:00Re Jeff Bell's original point, it may make far...Re Jeff Bell's original point, it may make far more tactical sense to promote the spread of Christianity than liberty. One has existed for a few thousand years, and has a checkered but gainful history.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675329228366316812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-10966321941292883262017-05-11T05:26:58.866-07:002017-05-11T05:26:58.866-07:00Your post is reminiscent of various "personal...Your post is reminiscent of various "personalities" that appear on Wenzel's sites to fervently argue on his behalf, then disappear. <br /><br />One of these personalities carries the name of a character in a fairly obscure book that Wenzel commented on some time ago in a positive manner.<br /><br />In the end, your comment doesn't mean anything because you offer nothing except that you refuse to rebutt his argument because it's on his site- he has only restricted commentary on the basis of it violating the cultural norms of "decency" in terms of wording. BM has been very "liberal" in allowing alternative viewpoints to be debated here, even in regard to topics that are "verboten" to mainstream society as long as they are presented respecting decorum. <br /><br />You haven't just fallen short, you offer nothing other than a minor and meaningless insult directed towards BM without basis. Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-18819079281103760042017-05-11T05:26:40.746-07:002017-05-11T05:26:40.746-07:00Your post is reminiscent of various "personal...Your post is reminiscent of various "personalities" that appear on Wenzel's sites to fervently argue on his behalf, then disappear- never to contribute anything else.<br /><br />One of these personalities carries the name of a character in a fairly obscure book that Wenzel commented on some time ago in a positive manner.<br /><br />In the end, your comment doesn't mean anything because you offer nothing except that you refuse to rebutt his argument because it's on his site- he has only restricted commentary on the basis of it violating the cultural norms of "decency" in terms of wording. BM has been very "liberal" in allowing alternative viewpoints to be debated here, even in regard to topics that are "verboten" to mainstream society as long as they are presented respecting decorum. <br /><br />You haven't just fallen short, you offer nothing other than a minor and meaningless insult directed towards BM without basis. Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-54889571809463470422017-05-11T02:56:32.431-07:002017-05-11T02:56:32.431-07:00Like I said, pot kettleism at its finest.
>Ma...Like I said, pot kettleism at its finest. <br /><br />>Matt<br /><br />National Socialism is a dead end philosophy. You don't have to accept the official narrative to derive that conclusion. <br /><br />Nor do you have to patronize me with your hidden, unspeakable truths.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12216903332794678762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-3220598454260726242017-05-10T16:02:02.219-07:002017-05-10T16:02:02.219-07:00BM’s double talk can easily be countered, but doin...BM’s double talk can easily be countered, but doing so in his personal dog and pony show would be foolish, so I won’t be. Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18259730262288807964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-87862765636447234912017-05-10T12:26:00.755-07:002017-05-10T12:26:00.755-07:00Ingocnost,
So you are a libertarian that accepts...Ingocnost, <br /><br />So you are a libertarian that accepts the official government narrative in relation to WW2? How convenient. Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-28112682428785578382017-05-10T10:55:49.201-07:002017-05-10T10:55:49.201-07:00>still implying the forces of european renewal ...>still implying the forces of european renewal were at fault rather than Moscow and D.C.<br /><br />I guess if Hitler had won we might today be seeing brutal tyranny in Europe where the State is actively trying to genocide its own people and imprisoning anyone... oh wait.Unhappy Conservative (2.0)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05647440445427537430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-25551998264213470842017-05-10T07:08:00.721-07:002017-05-10T07:08:00.721-07:00Thank you, Jeff. I have said more than enough reg...Thank you, Jeff. I have said more than enough regarding theology. I will leave it here.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-15004144477255826562017-05-10T05:11:33.900-07:002017-05-10T05:11:33.900-07:00Wenzel can't seem to grasp that culturally spe...Wenzel can't seem to grasp that culturally speaking, a PPS would never survive in most of the world today. You can't "logic" your way to a functioning society without regard to a moral system that is heavily influenced by culture. Rothbard knew this as evidenced by his statement that libertarianism is not a system of morality.<br /><br />As soon as some Dahmer type hustled young men onto his property and ate/sodomized them, Wenzel's PPS would rapidly fall apart. <br /><br />The "mob" that Wenzel despises(in many cases, rightfully so) would simply enforce their cultural moral standards above and beyond any "logical" notion that it was Dahmer's property and his right to do such a thing.<br /><br />Wenzel is really off the reservation on this concept and anyone with any sense of rationality can see how any attempt to base a society strictly on property rights without regard to cultural norms would fail very quickly and dramatically.<br /><br />In fairness to Wenzel, maybe he could gather a group of like minded Dahmer types to agree that whoever they can lure onto their property and sodomize/eat is "fair game" and within the strict property rights guidelines set out by a PPS- but I have my doubts.<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-58159382176206001252017-05-10T04:35:25.423-07:002017-05-10T04:35:25.423-07:00BM,
So God threw humans out of Eden, his property...BM,<br /><br />So God threw humans out of Eden, his property. We do tend to make a mess wherever we settle. The choice still remains whether to follow God's commands, be a good servant, or seek one's own destiny. Most religions I've sampled seem to focus on showing the latter choice as always leading to ruin. <br /><br />But I have not encountered any mention of a compulsive force from God or anyone else that prevents one from choosing to do the wrong thing. The RIGHT to do so, and whether not having that right is compatible with libertarian theory, was the original focus of my post.<br /><br />"As relates to other men, I own myself..."<br /><br />I find this stipulation consistent with living on a prison planet. I was invited here, no different than an unborn baby being invited by the parents. I don't see how those two conditions can in any way be compatible with libertarian theory, regardless how much of the universe is owned by God. <br /><br />I see mapping theology to a theory of governance as wrong headed and dangerous, as minor interpretations of right and wrong - as pertains to theology - have often lead to mass slaughters throughout history. Those slaughters may be perfectly compatible with certain theological interpretations, possibly even a requirement, but would be a gross violation of the NAP. <br /><br /><br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010513213569295642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-29103453735294771062017-05-10T02:05:39.090-07:002017-05-10T02:05:39.090-07:00What a great philosophy you have that both allows ...What a great philosophy you have that both allows you to destroy whole civilizations and deny that it was precisely that philosophy that lead you there. This is pot kettleism at its finest.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12216903332794678762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-84089902451634360692017-05-09T19:57:20.201-07:002017-05-09T19:57:20.201-07:00Thank you, Bionic misquito.
"As relates to o...Thank you, Bionic misquito.<br /><br />"As relates to other men, I own myself; as relates to God... this is a different matter entirely." Yes. And as for free will, I don't see any contradiction, I'm not sure I would say it's "not God's property" but he has given us the power to make choices and deal with the consequences and does not indicate anywhere that he will take that away from us.Matthew Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06967357155163097445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-57356452138935218032017-05-09T19:38:18.223-07:002017-05-09T19:38:18.223-07:00Jeff / gpond
I will offer a short statement on th...Jeff / gpond<br /><br />I will offer a short statement on these. I do so because to do more becomes a significant theological discussion, which I tend to avoid.<br /><br />Jeff: "Except God granted us free will. My will is not God's property."<br /><br />There are some strains of Christianity that do not buy into this. After all, if we are damned from Eden, then what free will do we really have? If God does the choosing... well, not much free will in that. No alter calls for the dead bones of Elijah (if I have the right prophet off of the top of my head); Lazarus didn't raise himself from the grave.<br /><br />Most Christians don't agree with this view (and if anyone here doesn't, I won't debate it with you), which brings me to the second point:<br /><br />gpond: As relates to other men, I own myself; as relates to God... this is a different matter entirely.<br /><br />Besides the fact that I believe this, it has a further benefit: it can work for everyone - those who believe in God (the one I believe in) and those who don't. <br /><br />As, on this earth, I am (and the NAP is) only concerned about man's relationship with man (and not with God), I own myself. <br /><br />In other words, in no form of theology that I can derive from the Bible does another man own me. This is enough for everything that flows from natural rights, the NAP, etc.<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-87250153012565783902017-05-09T18:15:21.582-07:002017-05-09T18:15:21.582-07:00Not arguing here, my friend, but asking for learni...Not arguing here, my friend, but asking for learning. So, God owns us and we are His property, but by Lockean Natural Rights we own ourselves, and this is supposedly derived by logic that God gave us to do so. That we can logically discover... if we are to accept objective ethics in the Locke or Rothbard, or even Randian 'schemes'.. Darn I hate to put schemes in quotes, as I don't mean anything negative. <br /><br />Please trust me that I am an earnest student, not a 'bomb-thrower' but have a serious interest in this topic. <br /><br />I would enjoy any dissertation that addresses these topics, as they are topics of which I am extremely interested.<br /><br />Please assume that I may not have phrased everything properly, but am earnest in my desire to learn. gpondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013837189187920036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-76777522887932966172017-05-09T16:07:09.985-07:002017-05-09T16:07:09.985-07:00The transaction costs of daily life in living in W...The transaction costs of daily life in living in Wenzel's PPS will be so high that life will be intolerable. PPS = dystopian nightmare. Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-46576112032145104612017-05-09T15:45:00.271-07:002017-05-09T15:45:00.271-07:00Except God granted us free will. My will is not Go...Except God granted us free will. My will is not God's property. The very core of libertarian theory is derived from self ownership, and the rights imposed upon us as a result.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010513213569295642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-45966185334840266742017-05-09T15:11:00.506-07:002017-05-09T15:11:00.506-07:00Very good, and I am embarrassed that I missed this...Very good, and I am embarrassed that I missed this!bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-79919413931138674092017-05-09T12:27:51.955-07:002017-05-09T12:27:51.955-07:00ingcognost
>Can you tell us more about the gre...ingcognost<br /><br />>Can you tell us more about the great order brought to Europe by national socialism?<br /><br />>implying Germany was responsible for the war<br /><br />Tell us more about how great jewish occupied Germany is today.Unhappy Conservative (2.0)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05647440445427537430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-28898403708640305132017-05-09T09:29:16.851-07:002017-05-09T09:29:16.851-07:00And it seems that having bathrooms with doors is n...And it seems that having bathrooms with doors is not hint enough about privacy.<br /><br />By all appearances, under PPS we must all carry a briefcase full of the different contracts required for every instance of human interactions. In the future, contract with non-human inter actions?<br /><br />Is there a way to approach anther person to ven be able to exchange the papers, without some kind of common understanding, mores, culture, on how to do so?<br />JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-52609194068547142892017-05-09T07:16:32.291-07:002017-05-09T07:16:32.291-07:00Thanks BM. Your blog has become one of my favorite...Thanks BM. Your blog has become one of my favorite reads. Especially lately, as Trumpism has short circuited the brains of many otherwise intelligent debaters on numerous forums. None of the regulars here seem to have been so affected!<br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010513213569295642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-57525576147524274082017-05-09T06:54:07.853-07:002017-05-09T06:54:07.853-07:00It's really not that hard. God is a libertaria...It's really not that hard. God is a libertarian... he by definition owns everything, the universe and all that is in it- including us, so he can do anything with his property as he sees fit. There is nothing to contradict libertarianism here; Christianity according to the Bible is fully compatible.Matthew Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06967357155163097445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-12923082147300828402017-05-08T20:34:01.087-07:002017-05-08T20:34:01.087-07:00Yes, giving their masters the bullets by which to ...Yes, giving their masters the bullets by which to get shot.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-36395823214005232122017-05-08T20:31:27.307-07:002017-05-08T20:31:27.307-07:00Jeff
I always appreciate your comments. Thank yo...Jeff<br /><br />I always appreciate your comments. Thank you for this.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-9459550463495621912017-05-08T19:04:39.890-07:002017-05-08T19:04:39.890-07:00Some of us are faithful libertarians not so much o...Some of us are faithful libertarians not so much out of pious intent, but because our actions are limited to those of morality and futility. The moral high ground has nicer weather..<br />Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14010513213569295642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-55900143838632341472017-05-08T16:51:30.021-07:002017-05-08T16:51:30.021-07:00Can you tell us more about the great order brought...Can you tell us more about the great order brought to Europe by national socialism?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12216903332794678762noreply@blogger.com