tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post3279124617755007672..comments2024-03-19T02:40:08.191-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Open Borders: No Answer in the Non-Aggression Principlebionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-71172316944686460222017-03-25T07:06:30.528-07:002017-03-25T07:06:30.528-07:00DJF. The Constitution did not mention slaves, but ...DJF. The Constitution did not mention slaves, but Persons. That clause had to due with the immigration power as it related to the States and the Federal Government Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-63876759180825866312017-03-22T03:24:33.136-07:002017-03-22T03:24:33.136-07:00Jack, as I understand and agree with your statemen...Jack, as I understand and agree with your statement, it is clear we are not communicating well with each other. It happens.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30388698615142259552017-03-21T14:50:36.043-07:002017-03-21T14:50:36.043-07:00BM, the NAP isn’t a list of positive rights, so th...BM, the NAP isn’t a list of positive rights, so that’s a non-sequitur. It’s a prohibition, in an ethical sense, of aggression by individuals. <br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principleJackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18259730262288807964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-71935517177650892152017-03-21T13:24:33.952-07:002017-03-21T13:24:33.952-07:00Jack, your logic doesn't hold. As "immig...Jack, your logic doesn't hold. As "immigration" is nowhere to be found as a "right" under the NAP, what does this have to do with application of the NAP to US born (or anyone else, foreign born, etc.)?bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-87937059876019731362017-03-21T13:17:48.238-07:002017-03-21T13:17:48.238-07:00Anonproof,
"Open border, no-welfare, self-def...Anonproof,<br />"Open border, no-welfare, self-defence rights, respect for private property, in the vision of open-border libertarians, go together.<br /><br />That said, I'm with you that it's impossible to find a clear solution in the NAP, and that open border is irrealistic and can be dangerous."<br /><br />By that logic, the NAP can’t apply to US born either, as most of them benefit from government transfers and are supporters of such, in one way (and to one extent) or another. <br /><br />Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18259730262288807964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-22764860947410336242017-03-20T17:17:26.884-07:002017-03-20T17:17:26.884-07:00Bob Roddis, Synthoid Clone number 23, year 2317, N...Bob Roddis, Synthoid Clone number 23, year 2317, Neo-Dubai:<br /><br />The secret to harmonious and peaceful existence was discovered in the 20th century by jewish economists. Although never implemented in the soil that spawned it (due its being anathema to the ruling class and incomprehensible to the average person), it was then exported to the Islamic world where it was initially met with fierce resistance by the religious authorities, who declared it "Haram" and promptly executed its first missionaries. However, after vigorous debate on logical principles, and with the aid of thousands of translations of The Ethics of Liberty being air dropped on Mecca, the Arabs came to be persuaded that what they were doing were "acts of aggression." Many scholars attribute this to the fact that the "new idea" allowed for a thriving market in "voluntary white-slavery" where the few remaining Europeans would sell their daughters (correctly regarded as property) to the wealthiest (most productive) Arab merchants.<br /><br />And so began the Arab-Libertarian golden age which has seen the creation of 12 Lunar colonies and discovered the secret to eternal life in the form of self-replicating synthoid clones that are programmed (using a sophisticated NAP algorithm) to be in perfect harmony with cosmos.<br /><br />In recent years researchers and archeologists have ventured into the uninhabitable nuclear wasteland of that was once called "Europe" in search of the birth place of Ludwig von Mises, most commonly referred to by the honorific "first teacher."Unhappy Conservative (2.0)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05647440445427537430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-8393391231225307382017-03-20T16:41:33.471-07:002017-03-20T16:41:33.471-07:00"Open border advocates want to open the borde..."Open border advocates want to open the border of the state, not of private owned properties."<br /><br />It is true that some libertarians pretend to take that position, but the vast majority of open-borders advocates are only interested in the first part.<br /><br />The libertarians who (pretend to) take this position are either intellectual/moral cowards or snakes operating on behalf of the dark forces of this world.<br /><br />The reason being that we live in a dead civilization and suffer all the attendant dysfunction and chaos that comes with that. The once high culture of the West is simply incapable of withstanding an influx of foreign people while at the same time trying to remove the extra-european culture-distorters from our midst.<br /><br />Libertarians are supposed to recognized the problems of foreign and domestic tyranny but pretend not to notice that architects of these imperial wars and domestic oppression are the ones pushing for the destruction of the ethnic foundations of western nations. Could there be a reason for this? Is it just fluffy humanitarianism. Like the fluffy humanitarianism of the Iraq war?<br /><br />People like Hornberger imply its our moral duty to be burned twice. First we have to pay for these wars in blood and treasure, and second we have to accept these wars coming home to us. How is this a moral position?<br /><br />You people are playing with fire and you are gonna get burned.Unhappy Conservative (2.0)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05647440445427537430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-66753334737850729562017-03-20T10:52:42.475-07:002017-03-20T10:52:42.475-07:00And "elimination of immigrant citizenship so ...And "elimination of immigrant citizenship so the newbies and their extended family can't vote Democrat for the next 300 years" never. Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-44413163691641866612017-03-20T07:53:37.698-07:002017-03-20T07:53:37.698-07:00Anonpoof,
With open borders people it is always ...Anonpoof, <br /><br />With open borders people it is always open borders first and elimination of welfare never. Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-51323980250981965202017-03-20T04:30:43.143-07:002017-03-20T04:30:43.143-07:00Open border advocates want to open the border of t...Open border advocates want to open the border of the state, not of private owned properties. <br /><br />So they recognize that a single-family home, an amusement park, a resort hotel, a condominium, a grocery store, a homeowner’s association, a self-organized community, a park can have rules established by the owner regarding admittance. <br /><br />Their reasoning is exactly this: if it is the owner that must have the right to set the rule, the managing of border by the State is in the way.<br /><br />To give the right to set the rule to the owner, we must neutralize the state border managing that is an interference, and that is a kind of decentralization, taht will move the decision downstream.<br /><br />Open border, no-welfare, self-defence rights, respect for private property, in the vision of open-border libertarians, go together.<br /><br />That said, I'm with you that it's impossible to find a clear solution in the NAP, and that open border is irrealistic and can be dangerous. <br /><br />Anonproof Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-75330435742939193952017-03-19T16:32:28.233-07:002017-03-19T16:32:28.233-07:00Very well said, Bob. Libertarianism in theory is ...Very well said, Bob. Libertarianism in theory is decentralization in practice; it doesn't have to be prostitution and gay marriage and meth labs in practice.<br /><br />Within a "covenant community," using your term, make the rules.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-88253923376429070652017-03-19T13:12:15.944-07:002017-03-19T13:12:15.944-07:00This “open borders” discussion is an example of wh...This “open borders” discussion is an example of why the Libertarian Party have received .9% of the vote for 40 years. “Open borders”, “legalization” of drugs and prostitution and “zoning” take on completely different meanings if enacted under our current system as opposed to being a part of an AnCap covenant community. A covenant community could ban drugs and prostitution and druggies and prostitutes and evict people who violate those rules. “Zoning” is moot when there are private roads as the road owner would have a veto over the type of buildings serviced by the road. And the type of people driving on it.<br /><br />As I recall, the southerners wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul because he was seen as “socially liberal”. I supposed that is technically true because if drugs and prostitution were “legalized” but nothing else in society changed, then those people could live next door and their kids could go to school with your kids. Just who exactly is going to vote for that? Why no appeal to evangelicals explaining that they can live in their own private communities with their own schools with “morals clauses” to their heart’s content? <br /><br />The NAP means that drug testing, genetic testing and charging super high insurance rates for druggies are all “legalized”. Libertarians seem to be hiding that feature. <br /><br />Are we purposefully hiding the notion of covenant communities from the public until AFTER they buy into the “meth cookers living next door” temporary model of libertarianism? Are we that afraid of “progressives”? <br /><br />Why would anyone try to appeal to “progressives”? Charles Murray supported gay marriage. How much did that help him?<br />Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-46510419992583496072017-03-19T08:41:51.076-07:002017-03-19T08:41:51.076-07:00On the flip side, if the 3rd world folks would ado...On the flip side, if the 3rd world folks would adopt private property and the NAP, they would be safe and prosperous and not forced into a situation where they must literally flee for their lives. It's white "progressive" westerners and their universities who taught the 3rd world "leaders" to adopt statist, socialist and Keynesians institutions most everywhere when they were granted "independence". <br /><br />It's all the "progressive's" fault. Like always.Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-4913711821102274922017-03-19T04:02:34.384-07:002017-03-19T04:02:34.384-07:00In the Rothbardian world its not just the property...In the Rothbardian world its not just the property owner who wants 20 migrant strawberry pickers on their farm for a week to pick the strawberry crop who must give permission but every landowner on route that the strawberry pickers must travel who must give permission. And give permission again as they leave your property or they are stuck on your property<br /><br />And that permission would not be unlimited, there would be strict rules on use of that land by the strawberry pickers. Including how long they can stay, what they can do, how much they must pay, etc. And the rules would vary from property owner to property owner. <br /><br />What would not happen would be the “open borders” mentality that anyone could travel anywhere without needing permission or being restricted in someway or paying for it. Giving away unlimited use of your property is giving away your property. Ownership is based on control, give away control and your property is gone.<br /><br />“”””They believed in open borders for importing slaves””””<br /><br />But even that was restricted, they did allow a tariff to be put on imported slaves and after a delay to 1807 they did allow the importation of slaves to be banned.<br /><br />So open borders types should clutch their pearls since the Constitution did allow a tariff and the banning of importing certain class of people.<br />DJFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-64923700159768791002017-03-18T10:13:51.659-07:002017-03-18T10:13:51.659-07:00"However, what seems quite clear is that the ..."However, what seems quite clear is that the answer of open borders – and most certainly in a world of state borders – cannot be found via the non-aggression principle alone."<br /><br />The open borders argument reminds me of what the Spartans used to tell Athenians promoting democracy; try practicing it in your own home.The Questionhttp://anarchistnotebook.comnoreply@blogger.com