tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post869368817448852967..comments2024-03-28T09:59:13.754-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Lionizing Winston bionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-81230057053087641512016-03-27T02:32:49.197-07:002016-03-27T02:32:49.197-07:00My father , a coal miner and combatant in the tren...My father , a coal miner and combatant in the trenches of W W 1<br />hated Churchill with a vengeance. I grew up thinking of Churchill as a war hero and the man who defeated the Germans. When I was had more time in later time to learn the truth about this man and myths surrounding him I can say I joined my , by then long dead , father in HIS opinion of Churchill.Bill Beebyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861896281653336956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-42278561780244916792014-05-19T12:14:19.604-07:002014-05-19T12:14:19.604-07:00Another interesting tale.
http://www.newjerseynew...Another interesting tale.<br /><br />http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/economy/bernard-baruch-winston-churchillCommenter No. 1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-87467318476809212232014-05-19T07:19:40.189-07:002014-05-19T07:19:40.189-07:00Thank you for this. The book mentions certain ben...Thank you for this. The book mentions certain benefactors as well.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-34704870334583626852014-05-19T05:38:54.770-07:002014-05-19T05:38:54.770-07:00@BM. This article may interest you. Re Churchil...@BM. This article may interest you. Re Churchill's financial payments from certain businessmen. <br /><br />http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/10699/the-secret-of-churchills-gold/Commenter No 1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-23224430607945468242014-05-10T18:56:57.862-07:002014-05-10T18:56:57.862-07:00Mr. Lawrence
See my further thoughts here:
http:...Mr. Lawrence<br /><br />See my further thoughts here:<br /><br />http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2014/05/my-further-thoughts-for-pm-lawrence.html bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-74568158760351466812014-05-10T09:33:42.638-07:002014-05-10T09:33:42.638-07:00@BM. Cecil Rhodes explains his aims in 1890. &q...@BM. Cecil Rhodes explains his aims in 1890. "A wealthy secret society should work to secure the world's peace and a British-American federation."<br /><br />In reality the world got a century of war.<br /><br />http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00811FB395412738DDDA00894DC405B828CF1D3Commenter No. 1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-89736202215743384762014-05-09T00:30:23.298-07:002014-05-09T00:30:23.298-07:00Sir Harry Brittain, founder of the Pilgrims Societ...Sir Harry Brittain, founder of the Pilgrims Society<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_BrittainCommenter No.1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-61243883654674219562014-05-08T13:55:23.723-07:002014-05-08T13:55:23.723-07:00Cant wait for more BM.Exciting topic.He allways ga...Cant wait for more BM.Exciting topic.He allways gave me the quiversidaho cowboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-8174437872060389322014-05-08T13:53:12.887-07:002014-05-08T13:53:12.887-07:00Thanks for link,,cornucopia of info Thanks for link,,cornucopia of info idaho cowboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-61445612594132321852014-05-06T10:10:08.070-07:002014-05-06T10:10:08.070-07:00Mr. Lawrence
I will Google these three and see wh...Mr. Lawrence<br /><br />I will Google these three and see where it leads. If I find something worth writing about I will do so.<br /><br />As to Stead, he may be a secondary source - but my guess is almost everyone we read is at best a secondary source. Stead was as close to Rhodes as one can be. While Rhodes may also not be primary, he isn't too far behind.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-3347738538116454622014-05-06T07:01:46.285-07:002014-05-06T07:01:46.285-07:00anonymous believes that Adolf was the head dalek a...anonymous believes that Adolf was the head dalek and Winston was Dr Who. Goodies and baddies and goodies win...buy the kids some toffee! have a great Sat morning pictures...then go do some growing up!!!Miciahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02274123763508945595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-59834258106316686352014-05-06T06:58:58.901-07:002014-05-06T06:58:58.901-07:00anonymous believes Hitler was the head dalek and w...anonymous believes Hitler was the head dalek and winston was Dr WhoMiciahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02274123763508945595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-79345558076865790372014-05-06T05:29:38.595-07:002014-05-06T05:29:38.595-07:00Well, BM, I did cite some of the names of the grou...Well, BM, I did cite some of the names of the groups and people involved when I told you you could check these matters to their own accounts, e.g. the "Round Table", Sir Lionel Curtis, and Sir Reginald Coupland, so you could google those. It may help you to track their accounts down down if I also tell you that Sir Lionel Curtis is famous for his magnum opus <i>Civitas Dei</i> on the topic (of which I have a copy I am part way through, and which is clearly named in imitation of Saint Augustine of Hippo's work of the same name); and that Sir Reginald Coupland is famous for his "dyarchy" and other methods of imperial rule that he refined and applied with some success in India and Mesopotamia (now called Iraq, but probably the older name will work better for searches), and somewhat less successfully when he worked up proposals for the British Mandate of Palestine.<br /><br />It is not impossible that Stead is right, but you really, really should not simply stop with reading him and ignore the sources, or you will catch confirmation bias. For my part, I will take my own advice and read up on what he has to say - though as yet I don't see how he can refute the horse's mouth, since he is at best a secondary source.P.M.Lawrencehttp://users.beagle.com.au/peterlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-25005648069320742072014-05-05T04:11:25.208-07:002014-05-05T04:11:25.208-07:00Quote from Churchill, August 20th, 1941. "Th...Quote from Churchill, August 20th, 1941. "These two great organisations of the English-speaking democracies, the British Empire and the USA, will have to be somewhat mixed-up together in some of their affairs for mutual and general advantage. For my part, looking into the future, I do not view the process with any misgivings. I could not stop it if I wished. No one could stop it. Let it roll....... Like the Mississipi it just keeps rolling along."Commenter No. 1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-4092833277086911742014-05-04T19:55:21.845-07:002014-05-04T19:55:21.845-07:00I will disagree and take the word of Stead on this...I will disagree and take the word of Stead on this until I see something more convincing:<br /><br />http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/search/label/stead bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-77920206654553470602014-05-04T19:11:01.131-07:002014-05-04T19:11:01.131-07:00BM, we know (separately) from their own accounts t...BM, we know (separately) from their own accounts that the British elite did not see value in subordination to the U.S.A., because they simply did not entertain the possibility until it was a fait accompli. At that point the likes of Macmillan tried to work "Better some of everything than none of something" through a "special relationship", being Athens to the U.S.A.'s Rome as it was put, but that was simply never on offer. What was on offer was none of everything.<br /><br />"I believe you make a mistake believing any of the elite actually care about Britain or the US as political bodies". Certainly none do now, but again, we know from their own accounts that the British elite did believe that when they were relevant, if only so as to be able to speak to the rest of the British. And when they were no longer relevant, they could only plug into the gains by <i>not being</i> a British elite - by definition.P.M.Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958277602980951566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-3690578494161938472014-05-04T14:58:13.959-07:002014-05-04T14:58:13.959-07:00A more in-depth look at the Pilgrims society
http...A more in-depth look at the Pilgrims society<br /><br />https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/organisations/Pilgrims_Society02.htm#introCommenter No. 1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-81594469193046109642014-05-04T13:22:26.532-07:002014-05-04T13:22:26.532-07:00Thank you for these.
Regarding “Union Now” such t...Thank you for these.<br /><br />Regarding “Union Now” such thoughts of a true union were written in Stead’s book as well, at the turn of the last century.<br /><br />The Pilgrim Society is on my list to look into a bit more. On initial considerations, it seems an organization designed to ensure the special relationship will always have a caretaker.<br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-53368165034012779812014-05-04T13:15:47.266-07:002014-05-04T13:15:47.266-07:00jacque sheete, I will thank you here for all of yo...jacque sheete, I will thank you here for all of your comments. bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-3849389129904870942014-05-04T13:14:15.394-07:002014-05-04T13:14:15.394-07:00“The problem with this analysis is the faulty assu...“The problem with this analysis is the faulty assumption that there was a single Anglo-elite with coherent objectives.”<br /><br />I always assume there are different factions, however all factions are focused on ensuring the toolkit for control retains credibility. Primarily, this means maintaining faith by the people in the system.<br /><br />“In fact, a British Empire-oriented group formed in the nineteenth century under the influence of Sir Alfred Milner and Cecil Rhodes…”<br /><br />Rhodes seems to be one of the key figures in reaching out to American interests. Read Stead.<br /><br />“Only, the U.S. Anglo-elite didn't see any value in a British orbit at all.”<br /><br />Sure, but why does this preclude the possibility that the British elite saw value in the US? Better some of everything than none of something.<br /><br />“[Churchill] was affiliated with the British-based Anglo-elite that got betrayed…. He was never part of any even inchoate scheme to shift the weight to the U.S.A.”<br /><br />Who says Churchill knew that he was chosen to play the role he was chosen to play? It would be best if he was a true believer. What I will look for is who knew him when, and other such tidbits.<br /><br />------------------------------<br /><br />A few random thoughts:<br /><br />1) Look, none of us mundanes can speak with any certainty about any of this. However, a) there was a time when the Rockefellers and Morgans were on different sides and later came together, and b) all of these different factions are great at turning unplanned and undesired events toward their advantage. These are a couple of many thoughts I have about how / why factions shift.<br /><br />2) The City of London still means something.<br /><br />3) I believe you make a mistake believing any of the elite actually care about Britain or the US as political bodies. They don’t think in such terms. They decide which political body / bodies they need to control, and then figure out how to gain control.<br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-64960198929544324732014-05-04T08:31:33.758-07:002014-05-04T08:31:33.758-07:00Re the Anglo-American elite.
https://en.wikipedia...Re the Anglo-American elite.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrims_Society<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_NowCommenter No. 1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-34520915675335207542014-05-04T08:02:13.577-07:002014-05-04T08:02:13.577-07:00Very good article and the above comment makes a ve...Very good article and the above comment makes a very valid point as well. I agree that there are almost always conflicting factions influencing policies and the factions' goals also tend to change over time.jacque sheetenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-61005035924555128972014-05-04T07:54:53.803-07:002014-05-04T07:54:53.803-07:00One wonders if "Anonymous" has ever hear...One wonders if "Anonymous" has ever heard of the concepts of demonization and propaganda.<br /><br />70+ years and most still have not figured it out...jacque sheetenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-65633064033083213532014-05-04T00:53:20.199-07:002014-05-04T00:53:20.199-07:00The problem with this analysis is the faulty assum...The problem with this analysis is the faulty assumption that there was a single Anglo-elite with coherent objectives. In fact, a British Empire-oriented group formed in the nineteenth century under the influence of Sir Alfred Milner and Cecil Rhodes as much as anybody, and then this was carried forward in the form of the "Round Table" and such like well into the 1930s under the intellectual influence of Sir Lionel Curtis and Sir Reginald Coupland <i>inter alia</i>. But it was never dominant in Britain; policy there was always incoherent, arising from domestically oriented groups, from lobbying by people in the colonial possessions and by trade oriented groups in Britain, and from a Foreign Office view.<br /><br />The first phase of this British-based Anglo-elite (pre-Round Table) half-realistically wanted the U.S.A. to come within the British orbit. That is, that would have been realistic if only they had got their kind of imperialism self-sustaining during that period. This is what gave rise to the U.S.-based branch of the Anglo-elite.<br /><br />Only, the U.S. Anglo-elite didn't see any value in a British orbit at all. They went instead for ringbarking the British Empire and doing everything the British groups had been after without actually leaving the British in it. This they were able to do in the non-U.S. phases of both World Wars and (through diplomatic-financial-economic means, including destroying the Anglo-Japanese alliance in the 1920s) in each post-war period (when they also undercut and destroyed the other European maritime empires, most of all in the Dutch East Indies after 1945).<br /><br />That worked out very well for the U.S.A. until it was finalised, around the mid 1950s in Indochina, Egypt and Iran (where the U.S.A. got most of the oil interests that had previously been British - Britain got no benefit from the Shah's restoration), around 1960 in the East Indies, and around the time of the 1970s Carter Doctrine that finally squeezed Britain out of the Persian Gulf (apart from Oman, where Britain is still - just - active). The catch was that it was like a hostile takeover that looks good for a while but runs down the business; the U.S.A. was institutionally incapable of understanding the business of empire, and never did the things needed to keep it viable, so as soon as the U.S.A. was on its own without the Europeans holding things together their way any more, nobody was holding anything together. Naturally, blowback started to build straight away, though it took a while to become obvious in each case (around ten or twenty years in each geographical area that got dominated by the U.S.A. in turn).<br /><br />Where does Churchill feature in all this? He was affiliated with the British-based Anglo-elite that got betrayed, after growing up and forming his attitude towards the U.S.A. during the British-based Anglo-elite's earlier phase when it had genuinely been reaching out to and building up its U.S. opposite numbers. He was never part of any even inchoate scheme to shift the weight to the U.S.A. (he did once say in a speech that he didn't wish to preside over the dissolution of the British Empire, but he only missed doing that by losing the election after which that became obvious); that was only ever U.S.-based, and it is hard to assess how much even that was effective in its own right rather than propelled by domestic but parallel U.S. interests. All we can say for sure is that the U.S. Anglo-elite was pushing in the same direction as coincidentally aligned U.S. interests, and that it got what it was after in a very "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" sort of way.P.M.Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958277602980951566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-90139536264199968102014-05-03T16:15:35.281-07:002014-05-03T16:15:35.281-07:00I think you have been reading the wrong sources re...I think you have been reading the wrong sources regarding Hitler. bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.com