tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post7102850967406156560..comments2024-03-28T09:59:13.754-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: The Legends Supporting the American Religionbionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-60439683681081843142014-05-04T08:29:21.793-07:002014-05-04T08:29:21.793-07:00Perry's "Blackships" and his extorti...Perry's "Blackships" and his extortion of Japan, plus American involvement in China also shows how non interventionist the US government had been.<br /><br />To extort concessions from the Japanese at gunpoint, “[US Commodore] Perry arrived in Edo (present-day Tokyo) Bay in July, 1853. One of the financiers of the expedition was the brokerage house Lehman Brothers. “<br />http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=516&catid=16&subcatid=108<br />jacque sheetenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-55579840314929357722014-05-04T08:26:16.832-07:002014-05-04T08:26:16.832-07:00Bionic is correct. Government is the new religion;...Bionic is correct. Government is the new religion; the new opiate of the masses.jacque sheetenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-71561396876606510752014-05-04T08:23:58.196-07:002014-05-04T08:23:58.196-07:00gpond is correct as were the antifederalists.
And...gpond is correct as were the antifederalists.<br /><br />And this:<br /><br />“[George] Washington held that the provisions for the payment of creditors constituted the only conspicuous advance over the Articles of Confederation and the only real justification of the new Constitution.”<br /><br />Harry Elmer Barnes, A Glance at the Fathers,<br />In The American Mercury, January 1926, pp. 23-30<br />http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1926jan-00023<br />jacque sheetenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-13431478010410027082013-01-25T18:08:52.668-08:002013-01-25T18:08:52.668-08:00I'm sad that the 'Carl' commentor was ...I'm sad that the 'Carl' commentor was unable to maintain civility - as I read thru the above daisy-chain it became clear that he was degenerating into invective. Yo, Carl, the reason that this blog trumps your comments is that you ran out of depth and grounded your hull. This blog holds readers, your shallow critique does not.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04466059282547137211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-56101340426965290552013-01-06T10:23:25.416-08:002013-01-06T10:23:25.416-08:00Thank you.Thank you.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-16591646534490459942013-01-06T09:58:37.637-08:002013-01-06T09:58:37.637-08:00Thank's for a fine SunDay read,-Great stuff !
...Thank's for a fine SunDay read,-Great stuff !<br /><br />Bren , Ireland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-91764106060115423302013-01-04T13:52:17.828-08:002013-01-04T13:52:17.828-08:00There are three times where I have either not publ...There are three times where I have either not published a comment, or deleted a comment. The first time was a mistake, where I deleted several comments by accident. The second time was a private note to me, where it wasn't proper to post it.<br /><br />The third time was Carl's here. It was vulgar and hostile.<br /><br />If he chooses to reply in a civilized manner, I will publish his comments.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-43867765923826756542013-01-04T12:40:04.398-08:002013-01-04T12:40:04.398-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-7141645661238008512013-01-04T10:35:22.715-08:002013-01-04T10:35:22.715-08:00“As I've stated, your premise is wrong, govern...“As I've stated, your premise is wrong, government is not a religion, it's just the facilitator. The religion is the IDEOLOGY driving the government…What do you think happens to the discussion when that "government is a religion" grenade is tossed into the arena? It stops, effectively slamming the door on further discussion.”<br /><br />Carl, not once in my post or in the comments did I state that government was the religion. I stated that there was an American religion, as follows:<br /><br />In this article, I intend to explore the legends underlying the American religion. By American religion, I mean to suggest the belief by a large segment of the population in the structures and institutions of government, and the belief that these structures and institutions are used for purposes beneficial to the people. In other words, the religion is belief in the benevolence of the state and the goodness of the political leaders.<br /><br />You are the one who introduced the concept of “government as religion.” You introduced this strawman. Introducing a strawman is an effective way of tossing a grenade into the arena, effectively slamming the door on further discussion. You have been quite effective.<br /><br />You have made four, in some cases lengthy, posts to this thread. You have had every opportunity to engage in the conversation, and I have done nothing to slam you. Yet you offer not one comment toward what can be done to “fix” government. Even now, you hold out, perhaps expecting that still I will not allow your comments, with this:<br /><br />“You want to know what I think should be done to fix government? Post this and I'll let you know.”<br /><br />I am all eyes.<br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-36799635768512873972013-01-04T09:40:50.558-08:002013-01-04T09:40:50.558-08:00So you've written over 300 posts, all culminat...So you've written over 300 posts, all culminating in the simple minded, false premise expressed in this one pat answer "government is a religion".<br /><br />Of course, your essay isn't the first I've read with that drivel as its theme, and it's been making the rounds on the forums where people are discussing our political environment, some self proclaimed anarchist will inevitably regurgitate that vacuous "government is a religion" mime, as if they're some type of thoughtfully contemplated words of wisdom, but in point of fact, they're nothing more than an excuse to do nothing. What do you think happens to the discussion when that "government is a religion" grenade is tossed into the arena? It stops, effectively slamming the door on further discussion.<br /><br />It Is Not A Productive Line Of Rational. It's dead-end thinking.<br /><br />As I've stated, your premise is wrong, government is not a religion, it's just the facilitator. The religion is the IDEOLOGY driving the government, which is the primary reason I despise all unthinking ideologues, regardless of the title they claim, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Anarchists, Environmentalists or Globalists, whatever. They're all nothing more than franchised regurgitators.<br /><br />You want to know what I think should be done to fix government? Post this and I'll let you know.Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-75973647435524218002013-01-03T08:49:47.111-08:002013-01-03T08:49:47.111-08:00“Ron Paul isn't president because Ron Paul did...“Ron Paul isn't president because Ron Paul didn't want to be president.”<br /><br />No, Ron Paul is not president because not enough people voted for him to be president. <br /><br />“They are not the "government's symbols", they belong to the people as symbols of liberty, which cannot be found through any government.”<br /><br />Because the people embrace them does not make them any less symbols of government as religion. Take a look at the link provided by Bryce January 2, 2013 10:29 AM in this comment thread.<br /><br />“So, those who believe that government is a religion are following a cult religion, outside the mainstream?”<br /><br />No, I believe the state as it exists today is worshipped as the mainstream religion, although most followers of this religion likely do not realize that this is, in fact, their god.<br /><br />“The whole dead end, circular reasoning of calling government a "religion" is simple minded nattering, as if you stopped believing in it, like in god or Santa Clause, government will simply disappear.”<br /><br />I think if enough people stopped believing in government as savior, the nature of government would drastically change. Who said anything about government disappearing? <br /><br />“It's the anti-solution, you believe you have it all figured out, tied up in a nice little package; "government is a religion". There, done, I have my answer, I don't have to think about it anymore and I'll just go around repeating the mantra "government is a religion" and bring all productive discussion on the subject to a close.”<br /><br />Again, dear Carl, I have written over 300 posts. You remain focused on assuming that this one contains all of my thinking on the subject. <br /><br />But I will offer: bring something productive to the table. Your tag line is “America's #1 Enemy and Direct threat to our Lives, Liberty, Property and Future is the United States Centralized Fascist Government.” What exactly do you mean by this and what do you propose should be done about it? <br /><br />“And I'm sure the government appreciates your door slamming diligence in halting subversive talk.”<br /><br />On what subversive talk have I slammed the door? I have posted every one of your comments, as I have for every comment on this thread. I have no more power than this. Do you think I control CNN or MSNBC?<br /><br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-11684079557681205612013-01-03T07:34:11.510-08:002013-01-03T07:34:11.510-08:00Ron Paul isn't president because Ron Paul didn...Ron Paul isn't president because Ron Paul didn't want to be president. They are not the "government's symbols", they belong to the people as symbols of liberty, which cannot be found through any government.<br /><br />So, those who believe that government is a religion are following a cult religion, outside the mainstream?<br /><br />The whole dead end, circular reasoning of calling government a "religion" is simple minded nattering, as if you stopped believing in it, like in god or Santa Clause, government will simply disappear. <br /><br />It's the anti-solution, you believe you have it all figured out, tied up in a nice little package; "government is a religion". There, done, I have my answer, I don't have to think about it anymore and I'll just go around repeating the mantra "government is a religion" and bring all productive discussion on the subject to a close.<br /><br />And I'm sure the government appreciates your door slamming diligence in halting subversive talk.Carlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-71257434445264393452013-01-03T06:36:03.170-08:002013-01-03T06:36:03.170-08:00Look over his many books on 9-11 and choose the on...Look over his many books on 9-11 and choose the one that interests you the most. You can't go wrong. Interestingly, as your article is about religion, he is a retired professor of theology. He is also an excellent speaker and many of his lectures on 9-11 are available on YouTube. Peace.kweshunatorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842431534688766590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-90353700214571897652013-01-02T19:54:54.673-08:002013-01-02T19:54:54.673-08:00Thank you.Thank you.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-73977051555651191612013-01-02T19:43:15.732-08:002013-01-02T19:43:15.732-08:00great article, good arguments. and i agree, you on...great article, good arguments. and i agree, you only need to look at the video footage (and cringe) at the worshippers at obama's re-election speech to see it. <br /><br />there is AMPLE evidence 9/11 didn't occur the way they said it did though. i guess as time goes by, official docs and whistleblowers will come forward. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-59983308533984800642013-01-02T19:18:42.016-08:002013-01-02T19:18:42.016-08:00"The whole situation makes me anti-religion. ..."The whole situation makes me anti-religion. (Not necessarily anti-God, mind you.)"<br /><br />Yes, I understand. Many look at the organized church and the crusades of the middle-ages and wonder at the barbarity, without seeing the reflection on our times.<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-69427390308665918292013-01-02T19:16:30.074-08:002013-01-02T19:16:30.074-08:00Thank you for the kind words. I will look into the...Thank you for the kind words. I will look into these books. Is there one in particular you would suggest as a good place to start?bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-20814565610184879382013-01-02T17:16:49.498-08:002013-01-02T17:16:49.498-08:00Very odd, as I was thinking about this topic today...Very odd, as I was thinking about this topic today. I know that many libertarians face an uphill battle in the war for minds, due to the religion of the State. I thought about how difficult it is to speak with someone of faith or a different faith concerning issues with which their faith may not espouse. Needless to say, it is very difficult. Think about the vicious attacks from the evangelical right anytime one would bring up the cognitive dissonance associated with their pro-war, pro-death penalty, and... pro-life views. The whole situation makes me anti-religion. (Not necessarily anti-God, mind you.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-10028399292151177632013-01-02T17:16:46.400-08:002013-01-02T17:16:46.400-08:00Excellent essay. Thank you.
Professor David Ray Gr...Excellent essay. Thank you.<br />Professor David Ray Griffin has written several very well researched, documented and presented books on 9-11. I highly recommend his work.kweshunatorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842431534688766590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-76200578369620953212013-01-02T11:36:06.376-08:002013-01-02T11:36:06.376-08:00Bryce, thank you for the comments and the link. T...Bryce, thank you for the comments and the link. The authors explained so well that which I stumbled to convey.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-82730132860729784842013-01-02T10:29:40.075-08:002013-01-02T10:29:40.075-08:00Great article. I recently came to the conclusion t...Great article. I recently came to the conclusion that most Americans do in fact worship the state above whatever else they claim to worship, be it Jesus Christ, science, or anything else.<br /><br />Anyway, I saw this article on Lew Rockwell, and now that I've read a couple more of your articles, I'll be reading you regularly.<br /><br />If you've never seen "Blood Sacrifice and the Nation: Revisiting Civil Religion" you should give it a read. http://www.readability.com/articles/3npyzmad It's not a Libertarian paper per se, but it does make an interesting case for "Our government is our religion."<br />Brycehttp://www.bryceabeattie.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-6699061056758376232013-01-02T07:28:44.024-08:002013-01-02T07:28:44.024-08:00MoT, thank you for your various comments today.
I...MoT, thank you for your various comments today.<br /><br />I have been thinking about Carl's last comment, and your post here has given me a reason to revisit this thread.<br /><br />"...real volume of guns and ammo being sold to those same people that you claim are worshiping government..."<br /><br />I never said it was the same people. I never said which people it was. It is a big country, and not all 300 million have the exact same viewpoint.<br /><br />"I think most people actually despise our fascist government but love the ideals (NAP) that the flag and the U.S.A. are supposed to represent."<br /><br />If this was true, Ron Paul would be president. It isn't true.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-33339572065578002882013-01-02T06:58:06.702-08:002013-01-02T06:58:06.702-08:00DJF, I always appreciate the information and links...DJF, I always appreciate the information and links you provide. Thank you.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-32152911186467307362013-01-02T06:15:59.645-08:002013-01-02T06:15:59.645-08:00Carl, If he, or I for that matter, "believe i...Carl, If he, or I for that matter, "believe it's true" then it IS true if only just for us. And if others faithfully and religiously believe the governments lies and propaganda, their "truth", how is that any different than a "religion"? To say that people despise the government yet love its symbols is talking out of both sides of ones mouth but admitting people are practicing hypocrites.MoTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-61179589444735253012013-01-02T06:10:08.047-08:002013-01-02T06:10:08.047-08:00Of course little is made of the fact that the Amer...Of course little is made of the fact that the American "empire" was already stationed in the Phillipines, Hawaii (obviously not a state at that time) and elsewhere. Those troops in Bataan, Midway and Pearl just didn't fall out of the sky and magically appear did they? This news about potential bases being prepared in Britain are a revelation if accurate. Which begs the question that with all the "advanced" base building going on presently just how long before WW3 is around the corner?MoTnoreply@blogger.com