tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post6086357981009807190..comments2024-03-28T09:59:13.754-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Borders Neither Open or Closed: Richman Gets it Rightbionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-6468232560875426912016-04-19T12:13:32.877-07:002016-04-19T12:13:32.877-07:00Short answers: yes, if in an HOA (as one example),...Short answers: yes, if in an HOA (as one example), technically yes if a "public" sidewalk or street although the government exercises control; in an HOA, governed per the association agreement, otherwise we are stuck with today's nonsense.<br /><br />Long answer, read everything in the attached, in order:<br /><br />http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2016/04/open-borders-and-culture-reading-list.htmlbionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-92162206688408093802016-04-19T09:43:06.284-07:002016-04-19T09:43:06.284-07:00I'm not sure your conclusion correctly follows...I'm not sure your conclusion correctly follows from your premise. Do you and your neighbors own the roads and sidewalks that are used to enter your neighborhood? What if you and one of your neighbors agree to exclude a particular party but two other neighbors wish to allow him access? You seem to be postulating a group right. How is that right exercised if the individual members of the group are not in unanimous agreement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-72002998505454835002015-11-25T07:50:58.964-08:002015-11-25T07:50:58.964-08:00Matt,
I never hear open border libertarians objec...Matt,<br /><br />I never hear open border libertarians objecting to homicide detectives arresting murder suspects and DA's prosecuting them. Shouldn't they, though? Aren't the cops, DA's, public defenders,judges and prison guards being paid for with tax dollars? For they life of me, I don't understand how government inaction in an area it monopolizes has become the default libertarian position.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-38111447521232855322015-11-24T05:38:38.579-08:002015-11-24T05:38:38.579-08:00What are you going to do then? Something like the ...What are you going to do then? Something like the movie Death Wish?Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-88725382076033358232015-11-23T20:27:19.625-08:002015-11-23T20:27:19.625-08:00Thank you for the clarification on Rothbard's ...Thank you for the clarification on Rothbard's position.<br /><br />I'm fine with home owners' associations assuming that they don't own me by virtue of me being born in one.Josiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00080753034498496838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-26625502624235054002015-11-23T20:22:33.192-08:002015-11-23T20:22:33.192-08:00Immigration status would not affect how I would re...Immigration status would not affect how I would respond to a mugging.Josiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00080753034498496838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-82363425927772201062015-11-23T17:46:24.696-08:002015-11-23T17:46:24.696-08:00Josiah, I am familiar with the argument of "t...Josiah, I am familiar with the argument of "taking from the state...." I am not sure I agree with this approach because it seems to take an "ends justifies the means" viewpoint, which I find difficult to accept.<br /><br />I also believe Rothbard makes the distinction of state activities that monopolize (or virtually monopolize) otherwise non-violent (save for the funding source) professions - such as teaching at universities. I am more comfortable with this approach because it is difficult to accept that I must exclude myself from an occupation merely because the state has taken it over. <br /><br />I write this knowing that it doesn't offer complete satisfaction - and certainly not complete libertarian perfection (as this is impossible in any endeavor in this world). Hence, we all figure out where we each draw lines, or make peace, or accept, or whatever term you find reasonable.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-29849685007342073242015-11-23T17:07:34.763-08:002015-11-23T17:07:34.763-08:00My apologies. It's directed at Josiah.
Stran...My apologies. It's directed at Josiah. <br /><br />Strange how people have made peace with the government as enforcing agent in most cases, except border control. Note that they are fine with the government forcing the border open. <br /><br />For whatever reason, open borders libertarians want borders of Western countries only to be opened to the people of the third world. And it definitely isn't libertarian ideas that motivate this advocacy in my opinion. Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-86749613904460945132015-11-23T12:59:35.232-08:002015-11-23T12:59:35.232-08:00I have the right to decide who and under what cond...I have the right to decide who and under what conditions someone is allowed onto my property; my neighbors and I therefore have the right to decide who and under what conditions someone is allowed into our neighborhood.<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-5502248615485445642015-11-23T12:14:15.807-08:002015-11-23T12:14:15.807-08:00"My position on borders is merely to extend t..."My position on borders is merely to extend this fundamental property right to the next, logical, step." <br /><br />A border is not your property line, so how can you extend your property rights to it?<br />James Howehttp://veresapiens.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-65079666919706597422015-11-22T19:39:24.749-08:002015-11-22T19:39:24.749-08:00Matt, to whom is your comment directed?Matt, to whom is your comment directed?bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30497570216370502982015-11-22T16:28:24.166-08:002015-11-22T16:28:24.166-08:00Guess you won't call the police if you get mug...Guess you won't call the police if you get mugged by an illegal immigrants, then. And you sure won't ask for the illegal immigrant that mugged you to do deported, right? Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-85556391929044346572015-11-22T15:20:56.615-08:002015-11-22T15:20:56.615-08:00In regards to Rothbard, I find Block's argumen...In regards to Rothbard, I find Block's argument regarding taking from the State compelling.<br /><br />I wasn't addressing the immigration issue directly. I'm on the fence about it. <br /><br />Strategically, it makes more sense to think locally (in terms of property) and educate broadly. Immigration hundreds or thousands of miles away doesn't affect me in a practical sense.<br /><br />I also can't help appreciating the "illegal" immigrants' necessity of treating others on an individual basis versus the State's job regulations.Josiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00080753034498496838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-68896306440559438592015-11-22T14:51:14.637-08:002015-11-22T14:51:14.637-08:00Use whatever term you like. Those who choose for ...Use whatever term you like. Those who choose for some version of managed borders have no choice in the service provider; the same is true for many other state activities utilized by libertarians: FRNs, roads, etc. (I suggest that you have more choices in medium of exchange than I do in who manages property rights).<br /><br />You cite Rothbard and his radical hatred of the state, yet he taught at a state university. On what basis did he feel this was justified? No different than what I present here in the above post.<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-21028093610094445052015-11-22T14:03:23.110-08:002015-11-22T14:03:23.110-08:00"I suggest every so-called libertarian purita..."I suggest every so-called libertarian puritan has found some way to make peace with this un-libertarian agent."<br /><br />While I generally agree with you and have learned much from your writing, I think that this cannot be true of libertarians.<br /><br />https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/murray-n-rothbard/do-you-pass-the-rothbard-test/<br /><br />I made peace with the fact that I either cannot escape the State or the cost is too high. Using FRNs is a mark of slavery. Using the State's roads is a frightening, forced choice. I live in a state of constant war and terror with the State. The best that I can do is to live strategically within it and convince family, friends, and neighbors of what the State really is and how to live more peaceably. Peace is the last word I would normally use when talking about the State.Josiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00080753034498496838noreply@blogger.com