tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post4222367879454151774..comments2024-03-28T09:59:13.754-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Block and bionic Duke it Outbionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-77991085162945058792017-06-13T20:04:20.921-07:002017-06-13T20:04:20.921-07:00I believe I have read Block to say that he believe...I believe I have read Block to say that he believes ownership extends up or down based on homesteading - in other words, for most of us that would mean a few feet down and a few feet up (or some such).bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-79477461880752235522017-06-13T14:28:47.536-07:002017-06-13T14:28:47.536-07:00I still shake my head when rereading Block. There ...I still shake my head when rereading Block. There is no such thing as open [property] borders. The moment that all lands goes into private ownership, any and all who do not own land, are immediately subject to be kicked out, according to the landowner's whim. And with no right to enter the neighbor's privately owned land. There is no such thing as open borders in a libertarian society because there is no publicly held property.<br /><br />Hey, Mr. Block, land ownership extends how far up and down?JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-54415822125276411302017-06-12T23:58:12.494-07:002017-06-12T23:58:12.494-07:00"I frankly believe any "open borders lib..."I frankly believe any "open borders libertarian" is actually a crypto-leftist, but that's my opinion."<br /><br />I kinda have a problem with this statement, because Block himself is on recored stating he wishes for the day that everything is owned, leading to the conclusion there would not be "open borders" as a result.<br /><br />I just think his methodology on this particular issue is flawed.(there are others though that hold similar views on open borders that seem to fit your category better)<br /><br />I've always liked your IP views btw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-90218039423183932752017-06-12T23:56:26.217-07:002017-06-12T23:56:26.217-07:00"I frankly believe any "open borders lib..."I frankly believe any "open borders libertarian" is actually a crypto-leftist, but that's my opinion."<br /><br />I kinda have a problem with this statement, because Block himself is on recored stating he wishes for the day that everything is owned, leading to the conclusion there would not be "open borders" as a result.<br /><br />I just think his methodology on this particular issue is flawed.(there are others though that hold similar views on open borders that seem to fit your category better)<br /><br />I've always liked your IP views btw.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-19791167316618293612017-06-11T09:33:42.779-07:002017-06-11T09:33:42.779-07:00Jaime, I have no answer to this.Jaime, I have no answer to this.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-24673675033655388212017-06-11T07:16:48.984-07:002017-06-11T07:16:48.984-07:00I think a proper transition would be returning imm...I think a proper transition would be returning immigration policy to the States, where it resides anyway for 37 of the States. After 1808, the Federal government want granted power over "the importation of such peoples" (quote is probably not exact)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-90834624761644556162017-06-11T07:10:27.016-07:002017-06-11T07:10:27.016-07:00I think a proper transition would be returning imm...I think a proper transition would be returning immigration policy to the States, where it resides anyway for 37 of the States. After 1808, the Federal government want granted power over "the importation of such peoples" (quote is probably not exact)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-58712670106006226802017-06-11T05:26:40.087-07:002017-06-11T05:26:40.087-07:00I have been laughing at myself. Obviously there is...I have been laughing at myself. Obviously there is no infinite below but to the core.<br />My question still stands: are there limits on the property ownership below and above? If yes, what are they?JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-21901091626341693902017-06-10T13:55:41.023-07:002017-06-10T13:55:41.023-07:00Unfortunately it appears Walter is a Crypto-Leftis...Unfortunately it appears Walter is a Crypto-Leftist.<br /><br />My opinion only.Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-63611108565572530492017-06-10T13:51:03.808-07:002017-06-10T13:51:03.808-07:00Exactly, and very reason I expressed that scenario...Exactly, and very reason I expressed that scenario.<br /><br />I frankly believe any "open borders libertarian" is actually a crypto-leftist, but that's my opinion.Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-83504533362971709412017-06-10T13:13:48.851-07:002017-06-10T13:13:48.851-07:00Are you forgetting tunnels and airspace? Infinite ...Are you forgetting tunnels and airspace? Infinite below and above ownership? Are y'all non-surface dweller-phobes?JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30552978377745264692017-06-10T10:04:30.352-07:002017-06-10T10:04:30.352-07:00I should have written "you must defend (eithe...I should have written "you must defend (either directly or through voluntary association) what you own."<br /><br />This, because an item stolen from you remains your property - just that you are no longer in control or possession of it.<br /><br />In reality, I am splitting hairs.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-5287986744143077772017-06-10T09:23:16.194-07:002017-06-10T09:23:16.194-07:00Bingo. This is why I have said in the past: do yo...Bingo. This is why I have said in the past: do you think there would be "open borders" in a libertarian, private property regime?<br /><br />I should have included this in my response to Walter; thank you for bringing this up such that at least it is in the comments.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-77852035965502730262017-06-10T09:21:17.778-07:002017-06-10T09:21:17.778-07:00If all property was private (as in a libertarian s...If all property was private (as in a libertarian society), the answer is easy: what you can defend (either directly or through voluntary association), you own.<br /><br />In today's world? Have you read Camp of the Saints? <br /><br />They came by the millions, unarmed. Just because they didn't come in tanks and helicopters did not make it less of an invasion.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-81471113889343499392017-06-10T09:17:35.651-07:002017-06-10T09:17:35.651-07:00Dave
The scenario you describe is one more (of ma...Dave<br /><br />The scenario you describe is one more (of many) reasons why the idea of "open borders" as long as there are states (and commons) cannot be as simple as "it is the only libertarian position."<br /><br />A homeowners association has "commons." In any conceivable manner, would these be considered "open" to immigrants?<br /><br />As Hoppe has argued, the "commons" that are today "public property" belong to me - the taxpayer. As long as the government is controlling these, it is reasonable that I expect that they act as a proper fiduciary.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-73540511193466808182017-06-10T07:29:17.951-07:002017-06-10T07:29:17.951-07:00""""full private property righ...""""full private property rights"""<br /><br />Isn't this sovereignty.<br /><br />So in the US there could be more then 300 million states. So that would mean more then 300 million borders<br /><br />“””open immigration”””<br /><br />But that runs into the now 300 million borders. And that is not just the destination of the immigrants but every border along the way. So going from Boston to Las Vegas would involve getting permission from every sovereign along the route <br /><br />So you don’t get “open immigration” with “full private property rights” So getting rid of the US government involvement with immigration you now empower up to 300 million sovereign states all with their own borders<br /><br />DJFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-1966388915248878222017-06-10T06:26:13.818-07:002017-06-10T06:26:13.818-07:00Question for you Bionic.
occasionally natural cat...Question for you Bionic.<br /><br />occasionally natural catastrophe happens. what to do if any such catastrophe happen and 1 billion chinese and indian start moving west, something similar to this:<br /><br />migration of the peoples/Barbarian Invasions<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_PeriodAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05222076141584691918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-92018013755639577112017-06-10T06:25:54.437-07:002017-06-10T06:25:54.437-07:00Question for you Bionic.
occasionally natural cat...Question for you Bionic.<br /><br />occasionally natural catastrophe happens. what to do if any such catastrophe happen and 1 billion chinese and indian start moving west, something similar to this:<br /><br />migration of the peoples/Barbarian Invasions<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_PeriodAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05222076141584691918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-67238390500482436512017-06-10T06:05:02.853-07:002017-06-10T06:05:02.853-07:00So, I have been reading your blog for some years (...So, I have been reading your blog for some years (perhaps since the beginning?), which isn't an appeal to familiarity, but simply a fact to let you know I'm familiar with your writings.<br /><br />Libertarian theory is IMO essentially a re-wording of the rights of Rebel Englishmen under American Colonial Common Law. If we look at it from that perspective, all we need are rights, and the method of enforcement, which allows for tremendous variety of government within the Republic.<br /><br />Here's how I see the issue of illegal immigration:<br /><br />The state (which is composed of individuals employed by the people) is charged with the duty, obligation and responsibility of protecting our property. That responsibility includes preventing trespass on the commons (which includes property and services).<br /><br />Preventing illegal immigration on the commons is dereliction of duty by the state.<br /><br />The problem is there aren't sufficient penalties and effective mechanisms in place to dissuade such dereliction of duty. I see it as imperative that rapid progressive confiscation of individual state employee's property, and eventual loss of liberty is necessary and proper to the survival of the nation.<br /><br />The fact that this isn't obvious to everyone indicates to me that a national existential crisis is inevitable.<br /><br />Perhaps we can organize ourselves so subsequent generations can avoid the same fate.Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-36876252221587686162017-06-10T04:51:40.152-07:002017-06-10T04:51:40.152-07:00"Walter remains undeterred:
On a practical l..."Walter remains undeterred:<br /><br />On a practical level, I still think I can have my cake and eat it too, here. Namely, I predict that it would take less time for us to privatize everything, if we had full power, than for the hordes to descend upon us en masse."<br /><br />Good grief! Block, which world you live in? When, in history has this open borders resulted in more liberty ... for all, in the lands being immigrated?<br />JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-48171362608064187082017-06-10T03:43:55.110-07:002017-06-10T03:43:55.110-07:0059% of taxes forcibly extracted from native Danes ...59% of taxes forcibly extracted from native Danes goes towards immigrant invaders. <br /><br />Any "libertarian" that tries to justify this is a criminal. <br /><br />https://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/05/23/immigration-costs-denmark/Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.com