tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post3954564152371451507..comments2024-03-19T02:40:08.191-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Open Borders and Culture: a Reading Listbionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-19967512384561484872016-04-22T11:17:56.291-07:002016-04-22T11:17:56.291-07:00OBF,
"Since whatever government does does no...OBF,<br /><br />"Since whatever government does does not actually work,for _anything_"<br /><br />Apparently, it works at making you "less free." Or is that the consequence of it trying to make you "more free?"<br /><br />UnhappyConservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03120041008604859202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-22762763274383990142016-04-22T10:26:20.826-07:002016-04-22T10:26:20.826-07:00BM: "In this case, "no." Which real...BM: "In this case, "no." Which really tells you nothing about my views on your question." <br /><br />There there, that wasn't so hard now, was it? Was my question somehow inappropriate/unwarranted, or does it appear to be trick question? I'm all ears.<br /><br />Matt@Occidentalism.org: "You don't seem to mind the government action of holding open the borders..." <br /><br />You presume [way ] too much, Matt. <br /><br />Since whatever government does does not actually work,for _anything_ including "border control" [as should be plain as day to any fairly observant, intelligent and reflective individual, hint, hint :-)], I don't care one way or another what borders policy it/they enforce, although I'm almost tempted to hope for _more_ closed border policies, as that would most likely have the opposite effect of the "intended" effect, i.e., cause an increase in illegal immigration. <br /><br />But all in all I really don't give a "rat's ass" one way or the other which policy is followed, for your information. It [government]is all a giant fraud in any case, as far as I'm concerned. :-) <br /><br />Regards, onebornfree.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-10110532602902079172016-04-22T02:31:52.783-07:002016-04-22T02:31:52.783-07:00Onebornfree,
You don't seem to mind the gove...Onebornfree, <br /><br />You don't seem to mind the government action of holding open the borders so why do you get to pretend like you are some sort of libertarian purist? Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-47717955088939652902016-04-21T09:09:53.339-07:002016-04-21T09:09:53.339-07:00Such difficult topics, to be reduced to a one word...Such difficult topics, to be reduced to a one word answer...never satisfying - even for the individual asking the question (other than gaining a false feeling of superiority and power, hiding other deep-seated personal issues, I have found).<br /><br />In this case, "no." Which really tells you nothing about my views on your question.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-55520123744414194702016-04-20T18:26:07.480-07:002016-04-20T18:26:07.480-07:00To both Matthew and Unhappy Conservative:
So gov...To both Matthew and Unhappy Conservative: <br /><br />So government actually works? <br /><br />If so, then why shouldn't it do absolutely _everything_? <br /><br />What planet are you both on? <br /><br />What other amazing government successes do you cheerlead/promote besides its/their, oh so successful immigration policies ?Roads? healthcare? Technology development? Environmental issues? What exactly? - I'm all ears :-)<br /><br />To BM: more evasion from "on high", I see:-) <br /><br />Why can't I get a simple, straight, "yes" or "no" answer from you on this issue? <br /><br />I'm sure others here would be interested in your clearly stated position [or maybe they all prefer to obfuscate just like you too :-)]<br /><br />So again I ask, [once more with feeling!] :<br /><br /> under the current er, "system" as it stands, do you believe that the US government should try to further restrict immigration [via more laws etc.]? <br /><br />A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.<br /><br />Regards, onebornfree.Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-24012683204017338802016-04-20T14:32:33.262-07:002016-04-20T14:32:33.262-07:00OBF, what you have written convinces me that you d...OBF, what you have written convinces me that you don't even believe what you are writing - I am guessing that you have spent 2000 hours over the last half-dozen years (that I am aware of) writing the same thing.<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30475815383257623802016-04-20T12:19:35.230-07:002016-04-20T12:19:35.230-07:00BM,
Thanks for posting all your articles on this ...BM,<br /><br />Thanks for posting all your articles on this subject in one place. I have been going through them, reading the ones I hadn't and re-reading the ones I had.<br /><br />The one article you have yet to write is Race and Immigration. This is really the heart of the issue, and this is what animates the left and the right. Also this is what Raspail's novel is about.<br /><br />You are correct that homogeneous "culture" reduces conflict, and the way you get that is through ethnic homogeneity. While America is a more complicated situation, who can doubt that a race war is looming in the future of Europe?<br /><br />The managerial class is clearly committed to there being no white countries. The supporters of "open-borders" are complicit in this and the blood is on their hands.UnhappyConservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03120041008604859202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-3599533501147669332016-04-20T11:24:12.617-07:002016-04-20T11:24:12.617-07:00Onebornfree,
Your concern trolling is a waste of ...Onebornfree,<br /><br />Your concern trolling is a waste of time unless it is some kind of self-promotion for your "Personal Freedom Consulting."<br /><br />Your argument is absolute garbage. The idea that the State could not control the movement of peoples if it wanted to is laughable.<br /><br />Why should I believe that you actually care whether BM or anyone else is more or less "free"?<br /><br />"But don't take my word for it:"<br /><br />No, take the word of a paranoid schizophrenic.<br /><br />UnhappyConservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03120041008604859202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-82228176180285261822016-04-20T04:49:17.750-07:002016-04-20T04:49:17.750-07:00Onebornfree. It isn't true that governments ca...Onebornfree. It isn't true that governments cannot control borders. They can if they want to. The problem is in the US and Europe the governments are holding open the borders against the wishes of their subjects.<br /><br />I have been to many countries where borders are controlled well and illegal immigration is virtually non-existent. Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16048944750056048686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-36998441085619965252016-04-19T15:32:18.559-07:002016-04-19T15:32:18.559-07:00"why do you so consistently waste your time t..."why do you so consistently waste your time telling us this?" <br /><br />If I'm posting here, then _obviously_ I don't believe I'm wasting my time , yes? <br /><br />1] because , underneath it all, you appear to have a good brain, despite your apparent infatuation with a silly [ time wasting] fantasy of waking the world up to your own personal version of "pure", or "correct" "libertarianism" [ or whatever you wish to call it]. :-)<br /><br />2] Your predictable evasions [eg your reply here] are always good for a laugh :-) <br /><br />An assertion:<br /><br />Assuming you personally want to live a freer life [disregard if not true]: <br /><br />The less time you devote to the unsolvable problems of whether a Rothbard, a Rockwell, a Wenzel, a Hoppe, a Block, a Mosquito or a whomever is the most consistent "libertarian", on _any_ issue, the more time you can devote to finding practical ways to increase _your_ freedom. <br /><br />The libertarian "movement" has always been chock full of "eggheads" who are prepared to sit around and debate "correct libertarian theory" [however defined] literally until the end of time, surely it does not need another one [you] to add to the pile? Trust me, those meaningless "egghead" debates will continue "for ever and ever, amen" without your presence - and you won't even be missed. <br /><br />Meanwhile , your own time on this planet is running down, and most likely you are less free today than you were last month, or last year.<br /><br />But don't take my word for it: <br /><br /> "If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities." Philip K. Dick<br /><br />Regards, onebornfree<br />Personal Freedom Consulting<br />onebornfreeatyahoodotcomOnebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-89901218517144245332016-04-19T12:16:04.569-07:002016-04-19T12:16:04.569-07:00OBF, for all the years I have known you, I will sa...OBF, for all the years I have known you, I will say you are very consistent. You consistently tell us about how we are wasting our time - so why do you so consistently waste your time telling us this?<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-43863151024092573582016-04-19T10:08:23.992-07:002016-04-19T10:08:23.992-07:00"open borders" in this world cannot be h..."open borders" in this world cannot be had without "government control of its borders and immigration." <br /><br /><br />I really don't see your point. <br /><br />Granted, we have governments, and we have borders,and we have governments _attempting_ to control their borders. <br /><br />But since government control does not/cannot work for _anything_, its/their attempted control of borders does not/cannot work either, as should be readily apparent. <br /><br />So who cares with a government has an "open" or closed border policy ?- numbers wise it makes virtually no difference either way, the "illegals" will keep on coming just as they have , regardless of what new immigration controls are attempted. <br /><br />Illegal immigration figures have not really changed significantly for decades, despite 1000's of added restrictions on immigration. <br /><br />"All" that any new law will accomplish will be to impose even more restrictions on US citizens, who as a result, will inevitably be required to produce even more "proof" that they are "legal" US citizens to government a$$holes. <br /><br />The whole immigration "debate" here [and elsewhere] appears to me to be a complete waste of time - a "storm in a teacup" :-) <br /><br />See: "The Immigration Scam" by Harry Browne: <br /><br />http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?485908-Harry-Browne-The-Immigration-Scam<br /><br />regards, onebornfree<br /><br />Onebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-51090031514049833162016-04-19T07:08:19.907-07:002016-04-19T07:08:19.907-07:00Carlos, are you suggesting that it is not possible...Carlos, are you suggesting that it is not possible to have an open-borders libertarian policy in this world?<br /><br />Why didn't I think of that?<br /><br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-28511730888384703052016-04-19T06:18:15.218-07:002016-04-19T06:18:15.218-07:00The German/EU open borders experience is not a tru...The German/EU open borders experience is not a true libertarian experiment. A true libertarian test of open borders would require that the environment into which the immigrants are moving also be libertarian in all manner, not a magnanimous social welfare state as is extant in most all the EU. Remove the magnet of generous government freebies and the flood of immigrants flowing across open borders would suddenly diminish to a trickle.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504618827662424451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30003985362565569812016-04-19T03:07:09.594-07:002016-04-19T03:07:09.594-07:00There is either private property or there is gover...There is either private property or there is government involvement in immigration. My point (one of many) is that "open borders" in this world cannot be had without "government control of its borders and immigration." <br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-74196903768914540222016-04-18T10:34:07.118-07:002016-04-18T10:34:07.118-07:00And so, to cut to the chase, you support a governm...And so, to cut to the chase, you support a government's control of its borders and immigration, "in this world" as you put it, or am I misunderstanding your various comments to date?<br /><br />Regards, onebornfree.<br />Personal freedom consulting:<br />onebornfreeatyahoodotcomOnebornfreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865185718738348312noreply@blogger.com