tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post3944025352363492359..comments2024-03-28T06:00:18.802-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Abraham Lincoln: Forced Into Glorybionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-68670734120715297972017-06-30T02:27:21.827-07:002017-06-30T02:27:21.827-07:00"What American Whites have done to prosper in..."What American Whites have done to prosper in large measure is based on stealing: land from the Indians, and labor from Africa."<br /><br />how many whites are you talking about ?<br />probably less than 4%<br /><br />also Indians did not own any land -- they did not have ownership of it.<br />tribes where competing for resources stronger where killing weaker, Europeans where stronger and did same.<br /><br />from today historical distance was that bad and wrong -- yes.<br /><br />majority of European settlers ( 96% ) did not still anything and did not own slaves<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-30816754400425454792014-12-31T08:45:31.556-08:002014-12-31T08:45:31.556-08:00"He simply believed that the rule of law was ..."He simply believed that the rule of law was more important and that individual States had the right to make their own laws regarding slavery." When did Lincoln follow the rule of law? He pretty much made his own law. More particular to the states, Lincoln did not want black people to compete in the western states with the white settlers. Thomas De Lorenzo outlines this in one of his books. Once a myth is believed it is almost impossible to erase. <br />jpmrwbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-25280473143621476872014-08-29T20:18:58.978-07:002014-08-29T20:18:58.978-07:00I know this is an older post, and I don't want...I know this is an older post, and I don't want to kick a hornet's nest, but anyway: <br /><br />Without wanting to evaluate Lincoln, but just the idea of deportation of Blacks, there is perhaps another way to view it. Realistically, Black people generally lead a difficult life in what is unquestionably a very racist country. The prisons are full of them, drugs are pushed on them, the worst slums and schools are people by Black people, and so on and on and on--the currrent uproar in Ferguson is emblematic.<br />With all due respect to "pluralism", it has its limits like everything else. It may therefore have merely been an attempt at a definitive and human solution (he even mentioned a "congenial climate") on the part of Lincoln, in the sense that freed Blacks in a deeply racist country result in all kinds of unsolvable imbalances and problems. Even in a country like Brazil there is great racial prejudice, and it is far, far worse in the US. Perhaps the idea of sending them to Africa was too extreme and impractical--granted--but why not have granted them an entire area in the South? What American Whites have done to prosper in large measure is based on stealing: land from the Indians, and labor from Africa. Bad karma. The Civil War was the first hit from its bad karma; more will keep coming; we have a hell of a lot to answer for.Robert Jensennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-16922785271382947182013-07-15T12:20:11.584-07:002013-07-15T12:20:11.584-07:00BJ: Everyone was a racist in those days. Whites, I...BJ: Everyone was a racist in those days. Whites, Indians, Blacks, Mexicans, French, Irish, and on and on.<br /><br />BM: While I can agree that in many ways Lincoln’s attitudes were a reflection of the times, it is not appropriate to suggest everyone was a racist. At the same time, considering his attitudes (not to mention actions and inactions toward slaves), it is also not appropriate to speak of Lincoln as if he was Jesus Christ. I do not suggest you have done so, but it is in this context that one might consider Bennett’s work.<br /><br />BJ: Lincoln was indeed a friend of the slave.<br /><br />BM: Lincoln had many opportunities where he could have directed the nation’s energy into demonstrating friendship toward slaves as opposed to wasting that energy on war. He did not do this. He had enough power to plunge a continent into war, yet did nothing for his friends? Really?<br /><br />As to statements Lincoln may have made opposed to slavery, there are just as many examples if not more where he said the opposite. Actions (and inactions) speak louder than words. <br />bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-88710745349357919242013-07-15T09:30:31.472-07:002013-07-15T09:30:31.472-07:00In order to correctly understand history, one must...In order to correctly understand history, one must attempt to understand the environment of the time. Twenty first century thinking is very different than nineteenth century thinking. Now it is easy to understand why enslaving others is tyrannical. Not so for people of 1860. They grew up with slaves, and the institution of slavery was thousands of years old, so at the time it did not seem so horrible to them as it does to us. Indeed most slave masters did not beat their slaves on a regular basis. That does not make it right, but to get a proper understanding put slavery in proper context of the times. The same goes with racism. Everyone was a racist in those days. Whites, Indians, Blacks, Mexicans, French, Irish, and on and on. <br /><br />Lincoln was indeed a friend of the slave. He believed it would end in "God's own good time" if not allowed to further expand. He considered himself a 'slave of sorts' until he was 21 as he had to give all his earnings to his father under the custom of 'Home Rule." Thomas put an axe in Abe's hand at an early age and hired him out regularly until he was 21. When Abe was 19, he piloted a raft down the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers selling wares along the way, and then he walked back to Indiana and gave all his earnings to his father. Those times were very different times.<br /><br />"The Republican party, on the contrary, hold that this government was instituted to secure the blessings of freedom, and that slavery is an unqualified evil to the negro, to the white man, to the soil, and to the State. Regarding it an evil, they will not molest it in the States where it exists; they will not overlook the constitutional guards which our forefathers have placed around it; they will do nothing which can give proper offence to those who hold slaves by legal sanction; but they will use every constitutional method to prevent the evil from becoming larger and involving more negroes, more white men, more soil, and more States in its deplorable consequences. They will, if possible, place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in course of ultimate peaceable extinction, in God's own good time." - Abraham Lincoln - September 11, 1858<br /><br />He simply believed that the rule of law was more important and that individual States had the right to make their own laws regarding slavery.<br /><br />Colonization was a voluntary program. It is true that Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and many others supported colonization. We understand how wrong that is today but again they lived in another time. One of the others who supported colonization was Edward Coles.<br /><br />Edward Coles was himself a great emancipator. He inherited twenty three slaves in 1808 and had to move to Illinois to set them free because Virginia law required freed slaves to move out of the state. Edward Coles became the second Governor of Illinois and was instrumental in making Illinois a free state. <br /><br />http://www.lib.niu.edu/2005/iht1210502.html<br /><br />Lincoln's thinking evolved to a point near the end of his life when he supported some black's voting rights. To condemn Lincoln for living in his time is not ethical as he was ahead of his time and a leader of emancipation. Brother Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16375455364166026374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-68510369996884925152012-11-16T12:59:15.619-08:002012-11-16T12:59:15.619-08:00Dear Mr. Mosquito:
Regarding this: "We all k...Dear Mr. Mosquito:<br /><br />Regarding this: "We all know of the Thirteenth Amendment, officially outlawing slavery and involuntary servitude."<br /><br />You should read it a little bit more carefully, while realizing at the same time that the private prison industry is one of the fastest-growing sectors in this really, really robust (LOL) economy of ours.<br /><br />I like the article very much, however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-90145339402429966132012-11-16T07:41:31.329-08:002012-11-16T07:41:31.329-08:00http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeech...http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/historicspeeches/lincoln/stateoftheunion1861.html bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-24378162930630973842012-11-16T07:16:40.607-08:002012-11-16T07:16:40.607-08:00Great article! I always appreciate more facts abou...Great article! I always appreciate more facts about the Lincoln myth. Would it be possible to link to Lincoln's State of the Union addresses?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-63557620866415400142012-10-10T11:29:51.306-07:002012-10-10T11:29:51.306-07:00Bionic:
Look up the "Make Money, Not War&quo...Bionic:<br /><br />Look up the "Make Money, Not War" review at:<br />http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/?issueID=70<br /><br />It may be encouraging.<br /><br />Bud WoodBud Woodhttp://www.chartimages.infonoreply@blogger.com