tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post3667416557779211469..comments2024-03-28T09:59:13.754-07:00Comments on bionic mosquito: Israel: 7 Percent Legitimatebionic mosquitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-91992392461871963752023-09-05T06:08:20.253-07:002023-09-05T06:08:20.253-07:00I am speaking of 1948 and the years and methods pr...I am speaking of 1948 and the years and methods preceding this and following it. However, you cannot escape the regime, as the crimes continue.bionic mosquitohttps://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-75982985123175041132023-09-05T05:12:06.484-07:002023-09-05T05:12:06.484-07:00NB, I don't justify the regime.NB, I don't justify the regime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-64667716298273729152023-09-04T14:31:55.992-07:002023-09-04T14:31:55.992-07:00The lengths true believers will go to justify murd...The lengths true believers will go to justify murder, theft, terrorism, and lies.bionic mosquitohttps://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-11739474627694949822023-09-04T13:56:51.274-07:002023-09-04T13:56:51.274-07:00One more point: The land was acquired mostly from ...One more point: The land was acquired mostly from Turks, not "Palestinians" (and by the way, the very word Palestinians used to mean local residents, of whatever religion, e.g., the Jerusalem Post used to be called the “Palestine Post”), and the Jew-hating Turks unfairly denied title to plenty of full-blown Jewish owners. In fact, the land only became desirable as Jews increased emigration, because the land was cursed in many ways (crop failures, wars, natural disasters) when occupied by our enemies (the source of the term "Green line"), exactly as the Bible prophesies (Lev. 26:32). Most of the place was truly ownerless, then Jews “mixed their labor with the land” and acquired it fair and square.<br /><br />And if you read your Bible, you should know where this is heading. The Jews have returned to their rightful homeland, never to be uprooted again, to repent of the behaviors we picked up from our dear hosts in exile, and onwards and upwards, as God (the true God, the one who kept his word to restore the supposedly eternally Wandering Jew [according to false prophets] back to his land) brings the full and final Redemption for all humanity forever, Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-34835326417867938132023-09-04T13:29:13.774-07:002023-09-04T13:29:13.774-07:00I believe you misstate the argument. The point is,...I believe you misstate the argument. The point is, most "Palestinians" (that nation is extinct, lol) are Egyptian sharecroppers (check their family names), not land owners at all. Just being in the land to tend the property of the wealthy doesn't give them any property rights according to any legal code, let alone the libertarian one (the terms are fellahin versus effendi). And then, don't forget, the Arab nation joyfully declared a war of genocide against the Jews. The Jews won, so their very lives are all forfeit (2 lives for a life, as I recall Block and Rothbard arguing), let alone their property. Bottom line, Israel is 100% legit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-9501536079145398092018-01-10T22:24:18.188-08:002018-01-10T22:24:18.188-08:00@thejewishlibertarian
"There is plenty of evi...@thejewishlibertarian<br />"There is plenty of evidence of Jewish homesteading from Roman times and current Jewish descent from those people..."<br /><br />Not in the real world. Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18259730262288807964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-44971145810380498522018-01-10T18:43:06.029-08:002018-01-10T18:43:06.029-08:00Rafi, I think you open a hornet's nest if you ...Rafi, I think you open a hornet's nest if you try to claim that under the NAP "previous generations" is enough to establish ownership absent a direct claim - one real individual reaching back 2000 years (in your argument) and demonstrating that Nicodemus was his ancestor and Nicodemus owned property X.<br /><br />You will create a war of all against all, because every individual on earth has, in their past generations, been both victim and perpetrator of equal atrocities.<br /><br />As to open borders, my point is simple: one cannot derive open borders from the non-aggression principle; further, in a world of state borders, there is no libertarian answer to managing state borders.<br /><br />My second point: I am waiting for any open borders libertarian to write an argument in favor of open borders for Israel - right now, today.<br /><br />That's it. Simple.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-77087504154228506032018-01-10T06:48:29.110-08:002018-01-10T06:48:29.110-08:00There isn't enough evidence of Joshua's in...There isn't enough evidence of Joshua's invasion or current Jewish descent from the people he led, so no case can be made from that. There is plenty of evidence of Jewish homesteading from Roman times and current Jewish descent from those people. A private court probably would not go for a case based on Joshua. But a private court might grant Kohanim (Jews of priestly descent) ownership of the Temple Mount by shares. There is plenty of evidence that they built it in Herod's time, and plenty of evidence that current Jews of priestly descent are direct descendants of those homesteaders. Their claim to it has never been relinquished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-14934387759585171532018-01-10T06:42:14.397-08:002018-01-10T06:42:14.397-08:00Hey bionic mosquito etc. - Let me clarify two thin...Hey bionic mosquito etc. - Let me clarify two things. I do not believe Jews are entitled to any part of the land of Israel that they or previous generations of Jews have not homesteaded. A Jew has no right to take anyone's property on the argument that "God gave it to me." I do believe Jews have a religious obligation to homestead and/or purchase all of Biblical Israel though, but this is not a libertarian point. On open borders, political borders don't mean anything, so if that means open borders I'm for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-22964950047625007122018-01-10T06:41:35.816-08:002018-01-10T06:41:35.816-08:00Hey bionic mosquito etc. - Let me clarify two thin...Hey bionic mosquito etc. - Let me clarify two things. I do not believe Jews are entitled to any part of the land of Israel that they or previous generations of Jews have not homesteaded. A Jew has no right to take anyone's property on the argument that "God gave it to me." I do believe Jews have a religious obligation to homestead and/or purchase all of Biblical Israel though, but this is not a libertarian point. On open borders, political borders don't mean anything, so if that means open borders I'm for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-25263789563462722942018-01-07T20:59:46.564-08:002018-01-07T20:59:46.564-08:00I did not look into the accuracy of the claim.I did not look into the accuracy of the claim.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-22292430723478807012018-01-07T20:01:53.022-08:002018-01-07T20:01:53.022-08:00Good article and good reviews of Alison Weir's...<br /><br />Good article and good reviews of Alison Weir's book. <br /><br />A question: where does Rothbard say 7% of pre-1948 Palestine was purchased legitimately by Jews? Actually, much of the 6-7% that was held by Jews before '48 wasn’t acquired in a libertarian legitimate way. Much of it was acquired from Palestinians using The Ottoman Land Code of 1858, a very unlibertarian law. <br />Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18259730262288807964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-25661019193154067802018-01-07T08:51:38.844-08:002018-01-07T08:51:38.844-08:00Blimps not climbs.
Blimps not climbs.<br />JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-11990457259055029082018-01-06T19:56:44.172-08:002018-01-06T19:56:44.172-08:00The ocean, parts could by privatized: close to sho...The ocean, parts could by privatized: close to shore or an area around floating base.<br /><br />The air, if it could be done it would require ownership of a very large tract land and, then, by what means? States have done it. Individuals ... to how many feet above? I guess someone could park climbs and ... collect tolls?JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-31493332546479429972018-01-06T07:29:28.747-08:002018-01-06T07:29:28.747-08:00"The only real commons the air and the oceans..."The only real commons the air and the oceans?"<br /><br />I am curious why you would think the air could not be commoditized. It could be included part of the land, or something that is sold separately. Payment could be organized along the lines of a poll tax. As for the ocean, it is easily partitioned. Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-29976002688809489932018-01-06T05:36:19.976-08:002018-01-06T05:36:19.976-08:00Slaves? Hmmm. Better than starving. If unable to p...Slaves? Hmmm. Better than starving. If unable to peacefully egress then slaves for a time to pay for tresspass, rinse, repeat?<br /><br />The only real commons the air and the oceans?<br />JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-11586640686987065942018-01-05T22:45:15.002-08:002018-01-05T22:45:15.002-08:00"Is the Libertarian world Feudal?"
I ha..."Is the Libertarian world Feudal?"<br /><br />I have asked that question myself. It would lend itself to feudalism in a situation of multiple owners (and they may not be at actual person at the head of the feudalism, however, more like an abundance of baronies). In a single owner it would be more like a plantation, with master and slaves. However, if you consider privileged slaves or oversees to be a nobility of sorts, then that would be feudalism too.Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-54918204103345501702018-01-05T19:37:34.238-08:002018-01-05T19:37:34.238-08:00"I am pulling this from memory, but I am pret..."I am pulling this from memory, but I am pretty sure I got it right - Matt can correct if necessary and I could probably find my posts of this exchange if it is important to you."<br /><br />That's right.<br /><br />As for Wenzel, I specifically asked him REPEATEDLY whether child abuse would be acceptable as a punishment, and he refused to rule it out. He even refused to rule out pedophile communities that abused children.<br /><br />Needless to say, its freaking unbelievable and I stopped reading his site too. I also mentioned that if his "Private Property Society" were to come into being, I would work to destroy it (with violence, not words).Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-76220844666276745562018-01-05T19:32:18.550-08:002018-01-05T19:32:18.550-08:00should read: you know, like if a six year old is w...should read: you know, like if a six year old is walking out of your store with a $1 candy bar, you can shoot him.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-3996977319101170352018-01-05T19:29:40.010-08:002018-01-05T19:29:40.010-08:00What I am after is a specific essay specifically a...What I am after is a specific essay specifically about open borders for Israel by a libertarian who claims that open borders is the only proper libertarian position. I don't want a general "open borders is for everyone" essay.<br /><br /><br />I have no idea if Rafi is one of these open borders libertarians, so I will not add him to my list. See here:<br /><br />http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2017/08/open-borders-for-israel.html <br /><br />I could add Block to the list.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-26838521627084917692018-01-05T19:22:28.564-08:002018-01-05T19:22:28.564-08:00ATL
It was argued by Robert Wenzel that in a libe...ATL<br /><br />It was argued by Robert Wenzel that in a libertarian order a property owner is free to choose whatever punishment he chooses for someone who has initiated aggression against him or his property.<br /><br />I replied something to the effect: so, the farmer can shoot a child for picking an apple from his orchard?<br /><br />Wenzel stuck to his guns: value is subjective, who else can decide for the farmer what the apple is worth, blah, blah, blah.<br /><br />Then he tried to switch it from punishment to the act of attempting to stop the perpetrator (which is a very different scenario). In other words, the victim of an ongoing crime is free to stop the crime in any way he wants - you know, like if a six year old is walking out of your store with a $1 candy bar.<br /><br />I quit reading Wenzel after this.<br /><br />I believe Rothbard and Block hold to this second view (active crime) - not the first (punishment). I might be wrong about this.<br /><br />So Matt is just offering his take on what these libertarian philosophers have stated.<br /><br />I am pulling this from memory, but I am pretty sure I got it right - Matt can correct if necessary and I could probably find my posts of this exchange if it is important to you.<br /><br />My point: don't blame Matt for this.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-31987441259907552052018-01-05T16:52:32.666-08:002018-01-05T16:52:32.666-08:00Interesting that you used Hawaii as an example. A ...Interesting that you used Hawaii as an example. A long time ago I was reading to learn what Property In Fee meant and Hawaii was used in some of the materials.<br /><br />Is the Libertarian world Feudal?JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-69519239142635165792018-01-05T16:47:36.352-08:002018-01-05T16:47:36.352-08:00Can a human be a person, have an existence, withou...Can a human be a person, have an existence, without owning property in a pure Libertarian world and not be a slave?JaimeInTexashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729407700850451849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-78606930300451171922018-01-05T16:14:12.702-08:002018-01-05T16:14:12.702-08:00Bionic: I don't recall him writing about borde...Bionic: I don't recall him writing about borders one way or the other, but since I know Rafi is an anarchist, he would probably use the Rothbard argument in favor or strict individual property rights without concern for artificial state boundaries. Kojak's Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05716171865564466707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-648884752216444797.post-40299926260385442362018-01-05T13:10:09.386-08:002018-01-05T13:10:09.386-08:00Matt,
"if a child trespasses into your apple...Matt,<br /><br />"if a child trespasses into your apple orchard and you catch him or her red-handed, then you are allowed under the NAP to punish the child by having sex with the child, or any other punishment including sacrificing the child to a dark god to use the child's blood to make unleavened bread."<br /><br />Seriously? This is your contribution to the discussion? <br /><br />The NAP does not authorize raping a child. This is a classic leftist appeal to emotion with no basis in fact or logic. Congratulations.<br /><br />NAP does not have a set punishment theory, but I believe that a proportional system of punishment is the most just and in line with the undercurrent of reciprocity (the Golden Rule) found in libertarian thought. To the extent you deprive someone of their rights, yours are forfeit unless you pay the victim restitution.A Texas Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02980539931923054404noreply@blogger.com